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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: N6370U crash

Picutre of the wreck… and some journalistic drivel  

http://discussions.flightaware.com/viewtopic.php?p=36199  

   

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John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: N6370U crash

I remember reading about this when it happened. When I 

armchair-quarterbacked it the first time, I guessed CFIT. Now it looks 

like it may have swallowed a valve on the right engine. With 20,750 

hours of experience, it's a tragedy that he couldn't manage the single 

engine condition.



The original article listed the airplane as a 560, but the manufacture 

date as 1964.....which would make it a 560F, and there aren't too many 

of those around.



nico css wrote:

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 Picutre of the wreck… and some journalistic drivel



 http://discussions.flightaware.com/viewtopic.php?p=36199



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John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: N6370U crash

Duh, just noticed in the NTSB report that it was a 560F.



nico css wrote:

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 Picutre of the wreck… and some journalistic drivel



 http://discussions.flightaware.com/viewtopic.php?p=36199



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moe(at)rosspistons.com
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: N6370U crash

Why would one shut down an engine because it gobbled one exhaust valve?

Evan with two exhaust valves broken there will be some power available.



Moe

N680RR

680F(p)





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CloudCraft(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: N6370U crash

In a message dated 25-Oct-07 10:52:43 Pacific Daylight Time,  john(at)vormbaum.com writes:

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		  I    remember reading about this when it happened. When I    

armchair-quarterbacked it the first time, I guessed CFIT. Now it looks    

like it may have swallowed a valve on the right engine. With 20,750    

hours of experience, it's a tragedy that he couldn't manage the single    

engine condition.

	


 

 As long as we're armchair-quarterbacking, I can't help  but wonder if there was fuel contamination (Jet-A?).  Seems unlikely  that the loss of power on one engine, subsequently feathered, would not allow  continued flight, unless the second engine was on its way out.   

  

 Not much fuel remaining in the wreckage, was  there?

  

 We also have to allow for incapacitation of the  pilot.

  

 Wing Commander Gordon





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John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:54 am Post subject: N6370U crash

I immediately thought of misfueling. I still fear that and am always 

present when my airplane is fueled....



CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote:

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		   In a message dated 25-Oct-07 10:52:43 Pacific Daylight Time, 

 john(at)vormbaum.com writes:



     I remember reading about this when it happened. When I

     armchair-quarterbacked it the first time, I guessed CFIT. Now it

     looks

     like it may have swallowed a valve on the right engine. With 20,750

     hours of experience, it's a tragedy that he couldn't manage the

     single

     engine condition.



 *As long as we're armchair-quarterbacking, I can't help but wonder if 

 there was fuel contamination (Jet-A?).  Seems unlikely that the loss 

 of power on one engine, subsequently feathered, would not allow 

 continued flight, unless the second engine was on its way out.  *

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 *Not much fuel remaining in the wreckage, was there?*

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 *We also have to allow for incapacitation of the pilot.*

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 *Wing Commander Gordon*



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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: N6370U crash

I was so untrusting that I always put the fuel in.

Maybe that's neurotic.

bb



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CloudCraft(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: N6370U crash

In a message dated 25-Oct-07 12:04:55 Pacific Daylight Time,  bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:

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I    was so untrusting that I always put the fuel in.

Maybe that's    neurotic.

	


 

 You are in desperate need of psychiatric help.  But then, you  are not in need of a mortician, are you?

  

 Wing Commander Gordon





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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject: N6370U crash

Mostly, I am concerned that I am out to get myself. A couple of years ago an

FBO fueller put jet fuel in my 500, thinking that it's a turbine, since the

mail carriers flew turbine A/C's at night. 

If it hadn't been that I was not greedy and saw that the fuel bill was much

less for the amount of fuel they put on board (jet fuel was cheaper than

avgas back then), I could have lost all power probably just after take-off

and ended up in the local neighborhood. 

So, I am totally paranoid about putting fuel in myself.

That this Commander swallowed a valve is very unfortunate - but should have

been a preventable accident based purely on what is known now. 

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dongirod

Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 140

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject: N6370U crash

The way it burned, reminded me of possibly Jet A.  Just nothing left when

that stuff ignites.



Don



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tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: N6370U crash

The first thing I thought about when I saw this, was this a miss  

fueling accident?

They must have a record of this aircraft taking on fuel when, by whom  

and how much, and what kind of fuel?

I see nothing other than it was "topped off".



Bob Hoover had it happen to him.  I witnessed it almost happen and  

stopped the fuel truck driver before they started fueling.



Tylor Hall



On Oct 25, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Brock Lorber wrote:



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 Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody's not out to  

 get you.



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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: N6370U crash

I like your logic and your point.  

Thanks  

bilbo  

         

  

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In a message dated 25-Oct-07 12:04:55 Pacific Daylight Time, bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:  

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 I was so untrusting that I always put the fuel in.

 Maybe that's neurotic.  	
  

    

[b]You are in desperate need of psychiatric help.  But then, you are not in need of a mortician, are you?[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]Wing Commander Gordon[/b]  

  



 

       

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