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Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Sorry but this has nothing at all to do with flight suits.  In the interests of safety (and keeping Scooter alive) I'd like to hear any war stories about Yak 52's doing unexpected things.  Seems like I've heard a few things in the past.  Are we just talking about accelerated stalls?  Are we talking about a normal spin transitioning to a flat spin?  So far I haven't seen anything unexpected.

dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:50 am Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Scooter,

The Yak 52 was a primary trainer in the former eastern block countries. 

Consider it in the same category as a T-34.   It was used to teach people 

who had never touched or felt an airplane before in their life, how to fly. 

It was not designed to kill people.  There are no "bad habits".  Just a 

whole lot of fun.  And like any high performance/complex airplane, it 

requires proper training in all phases of flight.

Dennis



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Scooter,

The 52 is truly a fun plane to fly. My only experience with it rearing its

little ugly head was a an abrupt departure due to an accelerated stall.

That was the result of me getting slow in the vertical. This airplane talks

to you before she decides to do something ugly like snap over on her back.

Doc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Scooter <yakk52(at)verizon.net>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 2/22/2006 10:13:50 AM

 Subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?



 



 Sorry but this has nothing at all to do with flight suits.  In the

interests of safety (and keeping Scooter alive) I'd like to hear any war
	


stories about Yak 52's doing unexpected things.  Seems like I've heard a

few things in the past.  Are we just talking about accelerated stalls?  Are

we talking about a normal spin transitioning to a flat spin?  So far I

haven't seen anything unexpected.

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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

I agree Doc.  And your statement can be applied to probably hundreds of 

different airplanes.   I wouldn't call what you defined a "bad habit" 

though.  You can fly numerous airplanes in the vertical and get too slow, 

particularly if you are slightly past the vertical and bingo, over on her 

back she goes.  (Her and She are used affectionately and do not imply sex or 

gender) -

Dennis



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jsfox(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Scooter -

I have to agree with all that has been said so far. I got my Yak just  

over a year ago and about 8 months after getting my private. There  

were a lot of high hour pilots on my field who were shocked and  

thought I was climbing into a plane way beyond my abilities. I just  

kept reminding myself this is the plane the russians and others  

tossed kids into to teach them how to fly.  The first thing I noticed  

was how easy the Yak was to fly, nothing untoward or squirrely. Now,  

I wasn't out there doing inverted flight in fact I wasn't doing any  

aerobatics. Since then I've taken 10 hours of aerobatic training,  

I've flown with Sergei Borak who really showed me what my plane was  

capable of doing. This I highly recommend, fly with someone of  

Sergei's caliber. One they will really show what the YAK can do and  

how to get out of the ugly.

But I totally agree with Doc, this plane talks to you and lets you  

know long before things get ugly

Steve

On Feb 22, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Scooter,

 The 52 is truly a fun plane to fly. My only experience with it  

 rearing its

 little ugly head was a an abrupt departure due to an accelerated  

 stall.

 That was the result of me getting slow in the vertical. This  

 airplane talks

 to you before she decides to do something ugly like snap over on  

 her back.

 Doc

> [Original Message]

> From: Scooter <yakk52(at)verizon.net>

> To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

> Date: 2/22/2006 10:13:50 AM

> Subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

>

> 

>

> Sorry but this has nothing at all to do with flight suits.  In the

 interests of safety (and keeping Scooter alive) I'd like to hear  

 any war

 stories about Yak 52's doing unexpected things.  Seems like I've  

 heard a

 few things in the past.  Are we just talking about accelerated  

 stalls?  Are

 we talking about a normal spin transitioning to a flat spin?  So far I

 haven't seen anything unexpected.

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=14117#14117

rmfitz(at)direcway.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Scooter,



If you had been paying attention you would know that all you need is a 

flight suit, parachute, 2nd class medical,  commercial rating and RPA 

membership to fly your 52 blissfully through the wild blue yonder with 

out ruffling  your silk scarf .



OTOH ; This is a Yak52,  not a 152.  We have lost some very good pilots 

in these planes.

Get some aerobatic dual.  Period.

 I highly recommend Sergei Boriak



bob

52BN

Scooter wrote:



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Sorry but this has nothing at all to do with flight suits.  In the interests of safety (and keeping Scooter alive) I'd like to hear any war stories about Yak 52's doing unexpected things.  Seems like I've heard a few things in the past.  Are we just talking about accelerated stalls?  Are we talking about a normal spin transitioning to a flat spin?  So far I haven't seen anything unexpected.





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Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

I really do appreciate the concern for Scooters welfare.  I'll see if I can find a russian guy to sit in my back seat sometime.



I've never done aerobatics in a 152 Aerobat but I enjoyed flying the T34.  That's a great airplane.



I agree the yak does give plenty of warning before stalling.  it also seems to behave very well in the spin both upright and inverted.  I've done just about everything else with it.  Doesn't do aerobatics like a Pitts but I wouldn't expect it to.  it's a fun airplane.

BasiliereR(at)ci.boulder.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

It sooo kicks a Pitts butt.  I have a room full of trophies gotten with mine.  Flew her at the 1998 U.S.Nationals and kicked Pitts butts all over Dennison.  In Intermediate for the record.  One of the pilots was a U.S. akro instructor of mine in his Pitts S1-T.

 Jumped a couple of your boys playing Aerial Combat Zone, (in my old box) - or whatever in T34-Bs - trust me they can't hang with the Yak in the hands of a Soviet Bloc trained pilot (Ukraine).

  

 There, lets get it started again...bring on the 'Changs...oh, yeah.

 Respectfully, rick



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I really do appreciate the concern for Scooters welfare.  I'll see if I can find a russian guy to sit in my back seat sometime.



I've never done aerobatics in a 152 Aerobat but I enjoyed flying the T34.  That's a great airplane.



I agree the yak does give plenty of warning before stalling.  it also seems to behave very well in the spin both upright and inverted.  I've done just about everything else with it.  Doesn't do aerobatics like a Pitts but I wouldn't expect it to.  it's a fun airplane.





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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Is that line I hear singing off the reel?

Doc

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		   [Original Message]

 From: Scooter <yakk52(at)verizon.net>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 2/22/2006 3:16:20 PM

 Subject: Re: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

 I really do appreciate the concern for Scooters welfare.  I'll see if I

can find a russian guy to sit in my back seat sometime.

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 I've never done aerobatics in a 152 Aerobat but I enjoyed flying the T34.

That's a great airplane.

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 I agree the yak does give plenty of warning before stalling.  it also

seems to behave very well in the spin both upright and inverted.  I've done

just about everything else with it.  Doesn't do aerobatics like a Pitts but

I wouldn't expect it to.  it's a fun airplane.

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brian

Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 643
Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Bob Fitzpatrick wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   If you had been paying attention you would know that all you need is a

 flight suit, parachute, 2nd class medical,  commercial rating and RPA

 membership to fly your 52 blissfully through the wild blue yonder with

 out ruffling  your silk scarf .

 

 OTOH ; This is a Yak52,  not a 152.  We have lost some very good pilots

 in these planes.


	


That is mostly a function of people doing things they weren't trained to do.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Get some aerobatic dual.  Period.


	


I would not hesitate to teach my kids to fly in a Yak-52 and then turn

them loose on solo day.



Of course we would explore the stall regime pretty carefully beforehand.



OTOH, I do think the CJ6A is a better primary trainer.



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I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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mark.j(at)yakuk.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:50 am Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

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		  Well, nico timv told me to watch for the snap on a shallow down line where the stick has been unloaded to about 2/3rd fwd and near triple gauge. The gravitational pull and the rotation were in balance and recover input had no effect, rotation was fast and held fast by the gravity pull. I think he said many turns from 3000ft and recovered at 700.  Flat spin (power full, right rudder, left aileron unloaded then cut power it will take up to 4.5 turns to stop. Correct recover is full power and in spin aileron. I had one owner showing me a loop and did negative snap at top by unloading with a push. Another one is stall on landing but 10ft up! I’ve had 2 customers do that and scrape the wing tip. BTW, no one picked up on my question.Who has been saved by a NOMEX SUIT/ Or knows someone etc.  	
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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Scooter, you ask  about bad habits (which implies you are new to the Yak52) but then say you doing  inverted spins which implies you are experienced with aeros.

  

 So a cautionary word  may be in order - in case you start stepping up the range of aerobatics you  flying before getting Serge or whoever to fly with you and provide type specific  info:

  

 Get the dual type  instruction before playing with any advanced spins and ideally even before  playing with verticals (as per DOSAAF procedure)

  

 The Yak52 takes a  long time with resultant altitude loss to get out of a flat spin.  You  can't punch it out.  Some (2 I have flown so far) will not recover using  the recomended methods and anti-spin inputs.  This from either a flat spin  to the  right or an accelerated aggravated spin to left. (outspin aileron and stick  forward).  On the one aerie we dropped over 3000ft after initiating  recovery with no signs of recovery.  She really winds up as well and some  people find this disorienting and may have difficulty thinking about which  anti-spin inputs to use.  Compounding this is the time and number of  revolutions required before "stopping" the spin, I think some people  have after putting in the correct anti-spin inputs decided they did the  wrong thing and THEN do the wrong thing.  The stick and rudder forces are  also quite high and you might think you have them to the stops when you don't,  and you may not recover.  Also must check rigging for correct travel before  playing with these.  During recovery you also never stop  rolling so may miss the point where the spin stops (but not the rotation)  and do crossover into inverted spin.

  

 The Yak is  great and has no bad habits in terms of departure or conventional spins.   But flat and accelerated spins need some prior training, forethought and lots of  altitude.

  

  Bottom line:   Do not play with these without excellent dual first.

  



 Jorgen

Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

i was afraid i would get this kind of cautionary response.  i won't mention aerobatics again...  hey, let's talk about flight suits!

gus.fraser(at)gs.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Scooter,

What's the problem with you. You asked for advice and that is what you got,

If you choose to not take the advice go ahead have a ball. It sounds

cautionary because that is exactly what it is. Once or twice a year I deal

with the fact that friends are no longer around. I am not sure what your

background is but personally I don't like to see anyone end up as a big

smoking hole in the ground, and Tom Johnson certainly does not like it

because it pushes the premiums up for the rest of us.



All the advice you have been given is based on years of experience with

these aircraft and I think that the posts on this subject are, and this is

rare for this list, to the point and informative. I would not try and tell

you how to fly that is up to you. You asked and people were kind enough to

respond. If you don't like the answer don't bitch about it. 



Gus



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Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

gus.  i put a smiley my post.  chill out.  scooter doesn't fight over the internet -  only in person and properly attired.

[quote="gus.fraser(at)gs.com"]Scooter,

What's the problem with you. You asked for advice and that is what you got,

gus.fraser(at)gs.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Sorry missed the smiley



Gus 



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Barry Hancock

Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 53
Location: Chino, CA

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Gang,



The -52, just like any other high performance plane, is to be respected.  A little over two years ago I had the opportunity to spend some time in Tom Johnson's -52 (he now has a -50) getting some advanced instruction.  I posted my experience on the Yak-list...and may be useful in this discussion.



++++++++++++++++++++++++++



DISCLAIMER, this is for entertainment only.  It is in no way intended as 

instruction or and endorsement to do these maneuvers on your own.



So, your humble correspondent finally got to fly a Yak-52, and was left 

scratching his head as to what all the fuss is about....



"That thing is deadly in a spin"

"Lots of good pilots have died in that airplane"

and my personal favorite,

"It will kill you if you're not paying attention"



These are all things I've heard or read when it came to the Yak-52.  For 

two years now, my interest has been piqued by all this talk and 

suggestion that the Yak-52 is a handful of airplane.  This seems a harsh 

contradiction to it's purpose...a primary aerobatic/military trainer.



About 3 weeks ago, Roger Baker included me in an email that gave the 

times and dates of upcoming aerobatic training from some Russian dude 

imported for a couple of weeks.  I figured to fly with him would be an 

awesome opportunity to see this Blood Thirsty Russian Beast put through 

it's paces, and stand a chance of not letting it kill me.  So, I called 

Roger - whom I met at All Red Star last year and have trying to get 

together ever since - and wondered out loud if there was anyone in the 

area that would let me fly their -52.  Roger graciously offered to give 

me a front seat checkout in one of his Yak Flying Club airplanes based 

out of Palomar, but a member needed to be in the airplane at all times 

for insurance reasons (we'll get to that irony in a second).  I figured 

flying acro sitting in somebody's lap wasn't an option, so I asked if 

anyone else was coming that might put me on their insurance for the 

weekend.  I found the PERFECT guy!  Of all people, Tom Johnson of Cannon 

Aviation Insurance was coming down!  Well,  Tom and I have become 

friends over the past couple of years and I figured since I didn't have 

a claim on record, he just might let me fly his Yellow Yak.    Sure 

'nough, Tom was as gracious as Roger....I was in!



So after a front seat checkout with Roger last Saturday.  I drove the 80 

miles to Ramona on Tuesday morning to fly the Yellow Yak with the 

Russian dude.  Turns out this dude is more than just a dude.  He's Yuri 

Yeltsov, head of the DOSAAF in Kazakhstan, with about, oh, a bazillion 

hours of acro instructing in the -52.  Vladimir Yastremski is a long 

time friend of Yuri's and he and Roger arranged for his visit.



The one potential pitfall in all of this is the language barrier...but I 

soon appreciated that there are two international languages, the other 

one is aviation!  During the preflight's and debrief's Vladimir stood by 

the ready for any necessary interpretation, which was seldom needed 

unless it was a technical question or discussion of the fine points.  

Though his english was limited, phrases like "more push," "easy push," 

"left pedal," "right stick" and "Nyet, you idiot!" were very effective.  

OK, he never called me an idiot...to my knowledge, anyway.    Quite to 

the contrary, he was always courteous and his reserved demeanor inspired 

confidence in even a neophyte Yak driver (0 hours PIC, until last 

Saturday) like me.



OK, Barry, enough window dressing...  Right.  I flew three times with 

Yuri.  The first hop consisted of the basic aerobatic maneuvers: rolls, 

slow rolls, loop, Immelmans, Hammerheads.  As Yuri would say, "No 

problem?  No problem."  Occasionally, he would ask me "you normal?"....I 

refrained from telling him about my latest psychotherapy session, and 

instead just nodded.  After awhile, my body started concurring with my 

therapist's analysis of my mental state and we headed for home.  On the 

ground I learned why I was dishing out the last part of my slow rolls 

(not enough nose high when inverted), and that I was very aggressive 

with the stick...it brought a smile to Yuri's eyes when he told me 

that.  I guess there's hope for me yet.



With 18 hours to shake the aerobatic fuzz out of my skull that had not 

seen more than 2 G's in the last six months, I was back on Wednesday for 

a double dose.  The first session was snap rolls, point rolls, spins, 

and flat upright spins.  All went well, except my aerobatic tolerance 

was deteriorating after about 15 mintues and it was a real fight, but I 

kept going.  Anyway, after my head hitting the canopy about 4 times, I 

finally got the hang of the snap roll.  Point rolls were rewarding, and 

then the moment that I had been waiting for arrived.  Spins.



The first spins we did were just the garden variety, power off, upright 

spins.  No issues there.  I did notice, interestingly enough, that the 

Yak-52 spin recovery is not as quick as the CJ's.  After 3 or 4 

evolutions, though, I had compensated and we went to the flat, upright 

spin.  "First one, I do," came over the intercom.  "First, normal entry, 

zen stick left full, and power full."  As we began to accelerate and the 

world went whizzing past like a teacup ride with 3 body builders, I was 

reminded of that oh so intellectual line from the movie Fast Times at 

Ridgemont high when Spicolli says, "Ah-ah-ah-suh-uh-mmm!"  Next thing I 

know we had done 5 revolutions and recovered by 6 1/2.  "Again, dis time 

from Hammerhead," Yuri said.  "I do, you follow"...uh, OK, "no problem? 

No problem."  So away we went again, with Yuri counting rotations and me 

just sitting there with this big stuff eatin' grin on my face.  This is 

FUN!!!!  My still unaccustomed to acro head was feeling a little 

topsy-turvy, so we headed for the barn.



I was a little worried I wouldn't make it past the first round of this 

final bout with the -52 as my brain was still sloshing about in my head 

a bit.  Hopefully the Cannon Aviation Insurance sponsored Excedrin would 

do the trick.  This time, it was loops with aileron rolls at the top, 

Avalanches (loop with a snap at the top), upset recovery training "I go 

in, you get out"...he was talking about the maneuver, not the 

airplane...I don't think, vertical rolls, and more spins "dis time, you 

do, I watch."  Well, if I'm not carrying the left over bag buy then, 

sure.  As it turns out I got stronger as this flight went on...I guess 

my brain was finally catching up with my eyes.  Anyway, the two areas I 

want to mention here are the upset recovery - 60 degrees of bank, and 

exceed critical AoA.  As we departed the plane would head towards 

inverted.  "Now you go!", said Yuri from the back, and I aggressively 

stomped on top rudder and pushed the stick opposite the roll. The next 

thing I knew we were straight and level.  We did this from various 

attitudes and in the end the result was the same....very predictable and 

quick recovery.



Now it was finally time for "you do, I watch."  So as we climbed up to 

5000 AGL, Yuri went through the flat, upright spin procedure with me.  

"Normal spin begin right, zen stick left full, and power full.  

Recover...power off, off, stick forward right, left pedal full, wait for 

stop spin, zen recover."  Sure, Yuri, no problem, just like you did it, 

right?



OK, crap, here we go.......normal right spin entry, stick full 

left, power full, and....yeeeehaaaw!  By this point I hear Yuri 

"...sree, forh, five!"  Uh, stick right forw...grrrrr, get over 

there!..forward, anti-spin rudder (left), and "Power! Power off!" oh, 

yeah, that helps!  A little sloppy on my part, but Yuri stayed off the 

controls and we recovered in reasonable fashion.  "Again?!", I ask.  

"OK," Mr. DOSAAF says, chuckling under his breath.  Back up to 6000 MSL 

again, and....wheeeeee!  This time I'm actually keeping up with the spin 

count, remember to get the power out, and she just happily recovers.  

One more for posterity...Yuri must have been thinking "these crazy 

Americans!"...and we went home.  A nice overhead with a greaser capped 

off a great flight and two eye opening, if not headache producing, days 

of flying.



So with the pictures taken, the heartfelt handshakes exchanged, and 

logbook signed, I was left with the four wheel solitude of my Ford F-150 

to reflect on a very eye opening and confidence inspiring experience.  

As Roger Baker so eloquently puts it, the Yak-52 "has a flair for the 

dramatic, but behaves just wonderfully."  I agree.  I found the Yak to 

be an extremely enjoyable aircraft for it's purpose.  It will do acro 

all day long and never complain.  It is a capable performer in the hands 

of an equally capable pilot, but also is nice enough to encourage you to 

be better if you're not as good as a guy like Yuri.  I found no bad 

habits, no uncomfortable tendencies, and in the end, a totally 

predictable airplane.



I also see how guys get killed in these things.   The stick forces to 

recover from the upright flat spin were significant.  I'm a 6'2'', 200 

lb., guy who hits the gym a couple days a week, and I thought Yuri was 

fighting me on the stick the first time I tried to get it out of the 

bottom left corner...it was just the airplane fighting me.  I managed to 

move the stick out of the corner with one arm but it took some effort.  

Also, Yuri said that if you leave the aileron out of spin (i.e. left of 

center in a right spin), even a touch, the plane will stay in the spin.  

So yes, if you don't have proper type specific training and/or panic 

when you get into an unexpected accelerated spin, I could see ending up 

in a force on force battle with Mother Earth.  But it seems, like with 

most airplanes, the myth far supersedes reality.



The Yak-52 is a great airplane and does what it was designed to do just 

about as well as anything out there.  Spins?  Well, it certainly 

commands respect, but with the proper training, like Yuri says, "No 

problem?  No problem."

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Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

that was great.  here's another good one.  i especially like the quote, "You like play Horsey horsey eh?"



http://www.skytrace.co.uk/jack.html





 	  barry wrote: 	
		  Gang,

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

Scooter,

Like I said..tremendous waste of energy and you are nothing more than an

easy target at that point.

Doc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Scooter <yakk52(at)verizon.net>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 2/23/2006 4:06:02 PM

 Subject: Re: Yak 52 Bad Habits?



 



 that was great.  here's another good one.  i especially like the quote,

"You like play Horsey horsey eh?"
	


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 http://www.skytrace.co.uk/jack.html



 barry wrote:

 > Gang,

 > 



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mark.j(at)yakuk.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:46 am Post subject: Yak 52 Bad Habits?

It seams we have come to the conclusion the YAK 52 is a sleeping bear but poke it with a sharp stick and it gets angry :>)))) <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

   

  BTW, I have been told that race drivers NOMEX suits are up to 10 layers thick. Soooo hot after 30 mins ACM you would be sweating like you run 10 miles in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Florida in July.  Now  then, those chicks u wanna impress would not be impressed at all with the stench :>)) So pretty boys just take a fresh well pressed suit (any make) from the cupboard, slap on the appropriate Velcro patches and go enjoy life. Oh, you still need a squirt of deodorant at the end of the day for that bar talk on how you shot down “hitman” Assuming the challenge is made for the east coast boys to meet the west coast boys for a days ACM in MS. (any chicks there?) (what a load of crap I talk, just stoking the fire, cya !!)

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