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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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 Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
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I didn't volunteer any info up front. All I can figure is that they have my account flagged as possibly headed to an experimental plane and when they ask I don't lie. Life is too short to try to remember different stories for different people..................
5ae" <n85ae(at)yahoo.com>
Ben,
When I call Summit Racing, I say - "Yes, I'd like to order part numbers
this, that and the other. My credit card number is ..." They ship me the
part. I have NEVER had them refuse anything, and everything I have
ever bought from them went into my plane.
Is it. possibly that you do it like this? ""Yes, I'd like to order part numbers
this, that and the other. My credit card number is ... OH, AND BY THE
IT IS TO BE USED IN AN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT."
Because if you are, that might be the reason.  Anyway, how does it
come up, what it's for anyway??? You would almost have to go out of
your way to get the order taking folks to ask. Especially from Summit
because they have a set of cubicals with order takers, who answer a
bank of phones ...
Jeff
[quote="n801bh(at)netzero.com"]I can say for fact that Summit Racing supply will not sell me anything if I even mention " experimental aircraft". I have got that response from several of their order takers so it is a protocol they must stress on their employees. I called one day to order about 1000.00 bucks worth of MSD ignition stuff for my toy and they refused to sell it to me. I then called Jegs high performance and they not only were hip on the idea of an auto engine in a plane the guy actually went to my website while I was on the phone with him and he came back with a "GEEZ" that is KOOL..... Both vendors were within a few cents of each other on price and from then on Jegs got all my business, and still does.? Just my two cents worth...
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "n85ae" wrote:
This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high
school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody I ever
met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if they
thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL!
Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very
disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about
being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly
worried ?about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare exception.
The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about
anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for Aviation
Use" note on some of their muffler's.
I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and
verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might decide
to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be calling
911 as well ...
Jeff
Gig Giacona wrote:
[quote] Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known as the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the use of one of their engines in a homebuilt.
There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their auto parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an aircraft
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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
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I Never use my credit card number online....................
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Just order what ever you want on-line. I've done it many times and yet have
had the computer ask if it's going on airplane. Just remember this, "Don't
ask a question you don't want answered."
Larry
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bill_dom(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
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And when you use your credit card in the store, where do you think it goes, on line. In fact, more credit card numbers are stolen from use at point of sale and corporate servers than from web site purchases. What you should never use is a debit card, better yet, don't have one.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
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"n801bh(at)netzero.com" <n801bh(at)netzero.com> wrote:[quote] I Never use my credit card number online....................
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" <lrm(at)skyhawg.com>
Just order what ever you want on-line. I've done it many times and yet have
had the computer ask if it's going on airplane. Just remember this, "Don't
ask a question you don't want answered."
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "n85ae" <n85ae(at)yahoo.com>
To: <zenith-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
[quote] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n85ae" <n85ae(at)yahoo.com>
Ben,
When I call Summit Racing, I say - "Yes, I'd like to order part numbers
this, that and the other. My credit card number is ..." They ship me the
part. I have NEVER had them refuse anything, and everything I have
ever bought from them went into my plane.
Is it. possibly that you do it like this? ""Yes, I'd like to order part
numbers
this, that and the other. My credit card number is ... OH, AND BY THE
IT IS TO BE USED IN AN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT."
Because if you are, that might be the reason. Anyway, how does it
come up, what it's for anyway??? You would almost have to go out of
your way to get the order taking folks to ask. Especially from Summit
because they have a set of cubicals with order takers, who answer a
bank of phones ...
Jeff
[quote="n801bh(at)netzero.com"]I can say for fact that Summit Racing
supply will not sell me anything if I even mention " experimental
aircraft". I have got that response from several of their order takers so
it is a protocol they must stress on their employees. I called one day to
order about 1000.00 bucks worth of MSD ignition stuff for my toy and they
refused to sell it to me. I then called Jegs high performance and they not
only were hip on the idea of an auto engine in a plane the guy actually
went to my website while I was on the phone with him and he came back
with a "GEEZ" that is KOOL..... Both vendors were within a few cents of
each other on price and from then on Jegs got all my business, and still
does.? Just my two cents worth...
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "n85ae" wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n85ae"
This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high
school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody I ever
met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if they
thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL!
Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very
disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about
being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly
worried ?about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare exception.
The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about
anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for Aviation
Use" note on some of their muffler's.
I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and
verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might decide
to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be
calling
911 as well ...
Jeff
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known as
> the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the use
> of one of their engines in a homebuilt.
>
> There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their auto
> parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an aircraft.
>
> Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote:
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> > ?Come out of your shell man.
> > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you think
> that GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an situation of
> your own risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their published design
> parameters??
> > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it might
> come off and smite you.
> > Jesus H. Farkin Christ.
> >
> > Joe Motis
> > Do not archive
> >
>
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ashontz
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
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I made the mistake once of mentioning what something was going to be used for when I went to Fazzio's in Glassboro, NJ looking for 6061-T6. The guy gave me a big lecture like he was a friggin' pro or something. He probably gave me an earful because he couldn't be sure that what he had labeled as 6061-T6 was actually that. LOL Considering the place is generally a junkhole, albeit they have some good stuff there, I'd never buy anything structural from them labeled 6061-T6.
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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
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All-
Ran into the same problem at a local well respected metals warehouse,
except I didn't tell them what I was going to use it for until after I saw
the condition. Big, deep garfs from horseing the stuff around racks, and
greasy as hell. Makes you really appreciate ACS.
Asked where the manufacturer's marks specifying the grade were. They'd
never heard of them. How about the cert? I'd have to PAY to look at it!
ACS and Wick's prices are downright reasonable, and they know you care
about being delivered pristine materials. Shipping's what kills you!
Do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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agibeaut
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
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Bill is giving you good advice. I'm in the steel and aluminum business and fully engrossed in the quality side of metals. I'm also a new builder of a Zentih CH 701 and would never ever buy aluminum from anyone but reputable aviation supply sources.
Please do not take chances with that segment of our socieity known as "quasi-metallurgists". Buy your metal products from known, reputable sources, and do not let low price skew your judgement.
Most of the clowns that profess to know and try to convince you that their discounted products are just as good as the industry recognized supply houses, don't have a clue what they are talking about. If you want to test them, here's a tip--ask them what the "T6" stands for. The T6 simply is the solution heat treat and artificial aging spec. and has nothing to do with the chemistry make-up of the aluminum. But, it is the process that makes 6061 aluminum a qualified aviation metal spec.
I apologize if I sound like a metals zealot, but trust me, there IS a difference between the capabilities of real 6061-T6 and the "seconds" that many of these guys are selling.
Fly often, and fly safe.
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--- On Mon, 10/29/07, Bill Naumuk <naumuk(at)alltel.net> wrote:
[quote] From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, October 29, 2007, 5:08 PM
Naumuk" <naumuk(at)alltel.net>
All-
Ran into the same problem at a local well respected
metals warehouse,
except I didn't tell them what I was going to use it
for until after I saw
the condition. Big, deep garfs from horseing the stuff
around racks, and
greasy as hell. Makes you really appreciate ACS.
Asked where the manufacturer's marks specifying the
grade were. They'd
never heard of them. How about the cert? I'd have to
PAY to look at it!
ACS and Wick's prices are downright reasonable, and
they know you care
about being delivered pristine materials. Shipping's
what kills you!
Do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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smoore
Joined: 18 Sep 2007
Posts: 10
Location: Lakewood, CO
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
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On 10/29/07, Art Gibeaut <aagibeaut(at)yahoo.com (aagibeaut(at)yahoo.com)> wrote: | Quote: | --> Zenith-List message posted by: Art Gibeaut <aagibeaut(at)yahoo.com (aagibeaut(at)yahoo.com)>
Bill is giving you good advice. I'm in the steel and aluminum business and fully engrossed in the quality side of metals. I'm also a new builder of a Zentih CH 701 and would never ever buy aluminum from anyone but reputable aviation supply sources.
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This answers a question I've been afraid to ask as of yet. Thank you.
Price is nice but if you can't trust it...
Along that vein, does anyone know of a reputable supplier local to Denver, CO?
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Sean Moore
moore.sean(at)gmail.com (moore.sean(at)gmail.com)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Sean,
Try ALRECO ( Aluminum Recycling Co ) just north of Denver. The sheet aluminum and Spar Cap material I purchased was new and had the MFG lot numbers stamped on the material. He only takes cash or checks, no credit cards.
ALRECO Aluminum Surplus
11299 Brighton Rd, Henderson, CO
303-287-7210
Herb
Colorado Springs, CO
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