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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

Odd how the media  tries to "distort" things   

REad the last 4 lines  Sheeeshhhhhhhhh  !!!





Small airplane crashes into Columbia River

http://www.columbian.com/news/localNews/2007/10/10292007_Small-airplane-crashes-into-Columbia-River.cfm

Monday, October 29, 2007

BY DAVE KERN, Columbian staff writer



Two Multnomah County residents survived a small airplane crash Sunday evening in the Columbia River about two miles west of Beacon Rock.



Skamania County Undersheriff Dave Cox said pilot Doug Nelsen and his nephew, Scott Nelsen, both of Gresham, Ore., were flying a Kitfox Lite 2 homemade aircraft when it went down about 5:10 p.m.



Cox said the two got out of the plane and swam to a sandbar off Skamania Island, not far from Cape Horn and the St. Cloud area of Skamania County. They were not hurt and declined medical attention. Their ages were not reported.



Fisherman Cam Crenshaw, 41, of Gresham, was fishing alone in his 22-foot Thunder Jet boat and witnessed the crash, and rescued the two.



"It was coming in real low, like it was going to land on the (island's) beach. He pulled back up and it stalled on him, and he went straight up and then ended up doing a nose dive," Crenshaw said.



"I was right there ... probably a couple hundred feet away. They came out (of the plane) real quick, that was the best part," Crenshaw said.



"It was real shallow water; they had to swim in a little bit. The plane ended up sinking in probably 15 to 20 feet of water."



Crenshaw continued, "They were in a little state of shock. ... They were a little dazed and confused with what happened." He called 911; Skamania County was the first on the scene, Cox said.



Cox added, "The pilot said they were doing about 38 to 40 knots and he pulled up and the plane stalled on him. They just kind of flopped down."



Cox said the plane has a two-stroke engine and had about five gallons of fuel on board.



Cox said Skamania County Emergency Medical Service responded, as did Chief Criminal Deputy Pat Bond, Sgt. Brett Robison, Deputy Shelley Flood and Deputy Chris Helton. He added that the Federal Aviation Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board are investigating.



The Kitfox Web site says the plane "is a 2-seat side-by-side aircraft that has truly amazing handling characteristics and is just as comfortable in the back country bush flying as it is flying cross country into some of the busiest airspace."



It adds that the plane is a light sport aircraft.



The Web site carries this motto: "It's not how Fast ... it's how Fun!"



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akflyer

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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

where is the distortion???? dont see it from here..



Holy crap, they said it was a fun plane to fly... those idiots dont know a thing do they?

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Tony Partain

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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

[quote]Holy crap, they said it was a fun plane to fly... those idiots dont know a thing do they?

   Now thats some funny sh%t!!! NO FUN ALLOWED HERE.......

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dave

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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

Yes i think they were actually in a subtle way trying to ridicule this part of the article  Cox added, "The pilot said they were doing about 38 to 40 knots and he pulled up and the plane stalled on him. They just kind of flopped down."] 

then adding this at the bottom 

The Kitfox Web site says the plane "is a 2-seat side-by-side aircraft that has truly amazing handling characteristics and is just as comfortable in the back country bush flying as it is flying cross country into some of the busiest airspace."

akflyer

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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:40 am Post subject: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

Sorry for the first reply.. just couldn't help myself.. 



I think you may be a bit to sensitive on this one.  I don't see anything wrong with what they wrote.



On the other hand, you ever flown way tail heavy?  kinda has a familiar ring to the story.. plane gets slow (nose should drop) but instead pitches up.  Sounds like they were a bit tail heavy to me, if they were indeed lined up for landing on the bar as the witness suggested.  If not he may have just pulled up and stalled it.

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:17 am Post subject: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

I not sensitive at all , the article read that he just pulled up and it stalled 

WELL  HELLO  you going a bit slow Buddy .........



but the writer put in the article that it supposed to handle so well according to Manufacturer's  website 



Bottom line from article surely hints that the pilot just plain screwed up and flew too slow and got in trouble.  Just  like Michel said the other day --  too many Kitfoxes are stalled on take off and landing and/or stall /spin accidents.  It same old story lack of pilot ability and training. I really doubt tail heavy has anything to do with it.

wingnut

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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

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		  too many Kitfoxes are stalled on take off and landing and/or stall /spin accidents. It same old story lack of pilot ability and training. I really doubt tail heavy has anything to do with it. 	




I wonder. The testimony from the witness reads: "he went straight up and then ended up doing a nose dive". I don't think I can get my Model 4 to do anything that would be described that way when it's going that slow. At 40knts,  I can get it to stall easy enough but I don't think I can get it to pitch up very much.

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akflyer

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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

 	  wingnut wrote: 	
		   	  Quote: 	
		  too many Kitfoxes are stalled on take off and landing and/or stall /spin accidents. It same old story lack of pilot ability and training. I really doubt tail heavy has anything to do with it. 	




I wonder. The testimony from the witness reads: "he went straight up and then ended up doing a nose dive". I don't think I can get my Model 4 to do anything that would be described that way when it's going that slow. At 40knts,  I can get it to stall easy enough but I don't think I can get it to pitch up very much. 	


I agree.  At 40 knots in my brothers model II I can haul the stick back and it will mush or drop a wing, but will not pitch straight up,  HOWEVER, I have been in a PA12 that I had loaded way tail heavy (productive hunt) and after I got it off the ground and to altitude, I slowed her down to see how she handled as the strip I was going to land at required a pretty slow approach to give you room to stop.... the normal stall speed on the 12 no flaps was 42 mph.. at about 55 the tail dropped out from under me and went into a nice tail slide before I got the nose flopped over. I diverted to a larger strip and executed a nice wheel landing..



This sounds more like what happened to these guys, that or they misjudged the speed they were at and they were actually flying a good bit faster.

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

interesting theory but it does revolve around the 38 to 40 knots ...... is that accurate? or was it  50 to 60 knots with  power ? 

Who knows but certainly one thing for sure happened - it stalled and party was over. Luckily they were reported to be ok.

dave

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

http://www.aviationfeeds.com/feeds/accident.py?ev_id=20071108X01765&key=1



NTSB Identification: MIA07CA142. 

The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division 

14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation

Accident occurred Thursday, September 06, 2007 in Cowen, WV

Aircraft: Furey Kitfox IV, registration: N93FD

Injuries: 1 Minor.

The pilot stated that while at a cruising altitude of about 1,000 feet above ground, a large bird impacted the airplane's wooden propeller, causing it to separate. At the time the airplane was flying at about 110 mph. The pilot made a force landing in a field with power lines and fences. During the landing roll, the airplane impacted a fence. The airplane then traveled down an embankment and flipped over before coming to a stop. The pilot stated there were no mechanical failures or malfunctions to the airplane or any of its systems prior to the accident.

dave

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:56 am Post subject: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents another repo



Here is another "stall type " accident 



Cannot emphasize enough to get more training done, quite obvious that planes are wrecked and pilots/passengers are getting injuries and dying needlessly.





LAX08CA022

On October 28, 2007, about 1715 Pacific standard time, an experimental Bagnall Kitfox Lite 2, N46361, impacted the Columbia River 8 nautical miles southwest of North Bonneville, Washington. The owner was operating the airplane under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91. The sport pilot and one passenger were not injured. The airplane was substantially damaged. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and no flight plan had been filed. The local flight departed Sandy River Airport, Sandy, Oregon, about 1640. The approximate global positioning system (GPS) coordinates of the primary wreckage were 45 degrees 35 minutes north latitude and 122 degrees 08 minutes west longitude.



The pilot stated in the Pilot/Operator Aircraft Accident Report, that when he approached Skamania Island, he spotted a suitable location on the sand to practice emergency landings. He was about 10 feet above the sand when he started his climb to the west. Approaching the end of the island he saw a boat to the southwest. The pilot further stated there was a reflection of the sun on the water restricting his visibility. About 75 feet above ground level, the pilot maneuvered to the right to avoid flying too close to the boat. The pilot felt an indication of a stall and lowered the nose of the airplane. The airplane impacted the Columbia River, which shattered the windshield and popped open both doors. The airplane sank immediately; the crew egressed and swam ashore. 



On October 29, 2007 the airplane was recovered from 30 feet of water. The airplane suffered bent wing spars, destroyed engine cowling, and water damage to the entire airplane.



The pilot stated that the airplane and engine had no mechanical failures or malfunctions during the flight.

dave

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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

Pilot Walks Away After Plane Crashes, Burns

POSTED: 11:21 am EST February 2, 2008

LAKE COUNTY, Fla. -- An Ocala pilot walked away from his downed plane Saturday morning just before it exploded and was consumed by flames.



The plane had just hit a power line and plunged to the ground at a subdivision construction site on the Lake-Sumter County line.



A Lake County Sheriff's spokesman identified the pilot as 52 year old Jerard Kral, who apparently was uninjured in the crash though he was taken to The Villages Hospital to be checked out.



There was no one else on the plane.



Witnesses said that the Kitfox homebuilt plane was flying low near County Road 466A when it struck the line and plunged to the ground in the subdivision area.



The plane was smoking when Kral got out and started walking away, but caught on fire moments later.



Kral said he was flying from the Leeward Air Ranch in Ocala destined for the Pegasus Air Ranch in Fruitland Park.



He was a half mile from the destination when it went down.



An FAA team from Seminole County was sent to the scene to investigate.



Progress Energy secured the site because of the danger from the downed power line.

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: Re: News alerts "Kitfox " accidents

Small plane crashes near The Villages 



By STAFF REPORT 



CHERRY LAKE — An Ocala man walked away with minor injuries from the crash that destroyed his plane Saturday morning in a field off Lake Ella Road.



Jerard Kral, 52, was taken to The Villages Regional Hospital for treatment, Lake County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Sgt. John Herrell said. 



According to witness reports, Kral struck a power line around 8 a.m. and crashed his 2002 Kitfox in a subdivision still under construction, Herrell said.



Kral got out of the airplane just before it caught fire, Herrell said.



Firefighters from both The Villages and Fruitland Park responded to the scene and quickly had it under control, said District of Public Safety Battalion Chief Scott Wilder.



The fire stayed contained in the area around the plane, Wilder said.  



   

 



Power in the area only flickered once, according to Progress Energy spokeswoman Sarah Varga.



“The damage is so minor they’re going to be able to fix it later in the week rather than today,” she said.



Kral was flying from the Leeward Air Ranch in Ocala to the Pegasus Air Ranch off Micro Race Track Road, Herrell said.



The Federal Aviation Administration was collecting evidence for the National Transportation Safety Board to determine the cause of the crash, officials from both agencies said.

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