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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

I am needing a set of King Fox Rims.to fit my new tires from Dave
Fisher.does any one have a set that I could buy?or know where I could
get a set..please contact me Steve shinabery email me off line at
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:59 am    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

Steve,
Matco makes rims complete with brakes for the 8" King fox tires The cost is $600.00 contact Matco directly at www.matcomfg.com
The model number is MHE8B. It uses and external caliper brake that is rated at 2200 in-lb at 450 psi. It uses 1.25 inch tapered roller bearings and each wheel is rated at 750 lb static load with a 3 G overload ultimate load.

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I am needing a set of King Fox Rims.to fit my new tires from Dave
Fisher.does any one have a set that I could buy?or know where I could
get a set..please contact me Steve shinabery email me off line at [quote][b]


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:03 pm    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

Thank You Kevin 4 the info on rims..all so I have a KF2,, how wide is
the King Fox tires.,if they are on the plane..how wide are they??I am
building a trailer and I need to know befor I start to build it.I need
to know if it will fit my trailer.I need to know from out side of tire
to the orther out side of the orther tire.how wide does the KF sit on
the king fox tires??? thanks Steve shinabery N554KF KF2

Kevin Ridsdale wrote:
Quote:
Steve,
Matco makes rims complete with brakes for the 8" King fox tires The
cost is $600.00 contact Matco directly at www.matcomfg.com
<http://www.matcomfg.com>
The model number is MHE8B. It uses and external caliper brake that is
rated at 2200 in-lb at 450 psi. It uses 1.25 inch tapered roller
bearings and each wheel is rated at 750 lb static load with a 3 G
overload ultimate load.

Kevin R
MiPPi
*/Steve Shinabery <shinco(at)bright.net>/* wrote:



I am needing a set of King Fox Rims.to fit my new tires from Dave
Fisher.does any one have a set that I could buy?or know where I could
get a set..please contact me Steve shinabery email me off line at

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:35 am    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

Steve-
Make sure that when you get those figures you're looking for that you
allow for the weight of the engine when you build your trailer, and
also the width of a Grove gear, if you should ever go that way. When
I built my trailer, it was while waiting for the engine to arrive,
and (stupid me) didn't allow for enough width when I designed the
wheel ramps and pockets. The finished plane fits my trailer, but JUST
fits it.
Also, when I built mine, I allowed for more room inwardly, so I could
use it for smaller planes, and thought I made it wide enough for
slightly larger tread width, but not enough.

Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/420+ hrs

On Oct 31, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Steve Shinabery wrote:

Quote:


Thank You Kevin 4 the info on rims..all so I have a KF2,, how wide
is the King Fox tires.,if they are on the plane..how wide are they??
I am building a trailer and I need to know befor I start to build
it.I need to know if it will fit my trailer.I need to know from out
side of tire to the orther out side of the orther tire.how wide
does the KF sit on the king fox tires??? thanks Steve shinabery
N554KF KF2


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

I measured mine for you
look like about 70" wide
if you subtract 9" each tire then inside width would be close to 52 "

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:32 am    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

If I were going to build a trailer to carry my plane, I have one now, I
would make sure the trailer was at least a foot wider than the gear. This
makes loading the trailer a lot easier ( 6" clearance per side)

Just an idea.

My trailer is a double Ski-Doo trailer which I extended the tow arm by about
five feet using an insert. The insert carries a channel to allow the tail
wheel to track in while loading and unloading. It also has a small hand
winch to help haul the mains up on the platform.

Two good side effects of the extension are the trailer tracks a lot better
on the highway and backing up is a lot easier. This trailer is rated for
something in the order of 2500Lb so I can actually carry planes a bit larger
than my own.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

thanks Dave this will help me out on the trailer.now I need to clip back
of frame and weld on to outer frame beams to get it a little wider on
each side.and then drop the deck where tire will fit.it still will be
close but I think it will work out fine..the tire look great and all so
the DVD that you sent me.realy cool..I hope and wish that I could B as
good as you are at flying my KF too.great video..and thanks again for
all of your help..Steve Shinabery N554KF,,KF2

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I measured mine for you
look like about 70" wide
if you subtract 9" each tire then inside width would be close to 52 "

Dave

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:40 pm    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

Hi Noel.thanks for the info on trailer.I have a boat trailer that I plan
on hauling my plane on backwards.it is a 3500 load I am going to extend
it by app 3ft. ,, drop where the KF2 will sit. and now I have to widen
the outer frame rails to app 75" so the KF will have room.all so it too
will have a hand winch.and incline channel to bring tail up level on
front of trailer.so less stress on wings and tail.when going down the
road.all so will take some leafs out of axle to make soffer ride for
KF.trailer will all so have a tool box.off of a Pick up .what do U think
Noel?? will this work?? Thanks again Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2

Noel Loveys wrote:
[quote]

If I were going to build a trailer to carry my plane, I have one now, I
would make sure the trailer was at least a foot wider than the gear. This
makes loading the trailer a lot easier ( 6" clearance per side)

Just an idea.

My trailer is a double Ski-Doo trailer which I extended the tow arm by about
five feet using an insert. The insert carries a channel to allow the tail
wheel to track in while loading and unloading. It also has a small hand
winch to help haul the mains up on the platform.

Two good side effects of the extension are the trailer tracks a lot better
on the highway and backing up is a lot easier. This trailer is rated for
something in the order of 2500Lb so I can actually carry planes a bit larger
than my own.

Noel


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

Hi Lynn.thanks 4 the imput on trailer.I have a boat trailer that I am
going to,or tying to convert to my use.if I would go to your grove
landing gear and the King fox tires what would I need in width ? the
trailer now is in side of trailer frame rails.is app 70" and I could
easy change it to app 73" by cuting frame rails off and welding to the
outside of rails all..so I only have app 3" extra..but may i could go to
welding shop and some how have some major changes done to make more
room..So Lynn what would the width be that I would need???I plan on
extending trailer app 3' of HD square tubeing.for extra room and to help
balance KF on trailer.Lynn could you help me on the figures???that I
need.. thanks again Lynn,,Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2

Lynn Matteson wrote:
Quote:


Steve-
Make sure that when you get those figures you're looking for that you
allow for the weight of the engine when you build your trailer, and
also the width of a Grove gear, if you should ever go that way. When I
built my trailer, it was while waiting for the engine to arrive, and
(stupid me) didn't allow for enough width when I designed the wheel
ramps and pockets. The finished plane fits my trailer, but JUST fits it.
Also, when I built mine, I allowed for more room inwardly, so I could
use it for smaller planes, and thought I made it wide enough for
slightly larger tread width, but not enough.

Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/420+ hrs

On Oct 31, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Steve Shinabery wrote:

>
>
> Thank You Kevin 4 the info on rims..all so I have a KF2,, how wide is
> the King Fox tires.,if they are on the plane..how wide are they??I am
> building a trailer and I need to know befor I start to build it.I
> need to know if it will fit my trailer.I need to know from out side
> of tire to the orther out side of the orther tire.how wide does the
> KF sit on the king fox tires??? thanks Steve shinabery N554KF KF2

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

The idea of removing springs sounds Ok to me as long as you leave about 1500lb capacity. You will want some margin of safety between the weight of your plane and the capacity of the trailer.

I found it is much easier to open the wings without installing the turtle deck to load and unload the plane. This made handling the tail much easier. I also have a stand that fits exactly under the nut and bolt for the tail wheel spring. The stand is to keep the plane level when towing. The reason to put the stand under the tail wheel spring mount is to take pressure off the spring itself.

In the following picture I only have the plane on the trailer to take the picture and at that time I hadn't worked out how to guy the tail wheel three ways so it cannot move while travelling.

Notice how the trailer ramps reverse to block the main gear in place. It cannot move left, right forward or back. I expect if I could roll the trailer upside down the plane would not separate from the trailer. Note the straps do not attach to the main gear but only to the loading ramps. In the position the plane is in it would be next to mission impossible to lift the tail up onto the support. with the wings open and the main gear trapped it is actually quite easy to place the support under the tail heed spring attach nut.
The three way guying I mentioned is 1 the main cable from the winch to the tail wheel. this cable will have to be loosened to lift the tail then tightened. 2 and three guys are ratchet straps which attach to the same part of the spring and extend to the rear corners of the platform. I was considering bolting a couple of boxes on the platform to put gasoline in. I don't recommend towing with gas in the wings. Be sure to put some kind of a protection between the vertical stab and the ailerons to protect the stab from abrasion. Also be sure to tie the ailerons together behind the rudder. Don't trust the small supports at the base of the vertical stab to hold the wings in! If they open while towing it will put a dent in your day.

[img]cid:268574723(at)01112007-2DDF[/img]
This is the way I usually tow my plane short distances... only with the wings folded, of course.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

I have a remodeled boat trailer for my Avid Flyers. I didn't build it, it came with the Avid B. Jim Chuk, Avid B 582, Avid Mk IV Jabiru, Chisholm Mn

[quote] Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:38:38 -0400
From: shinco(at)bright.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: need King Fox rims

--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Shinabery <shinco(at)bright.net>

Hi Noel.thanks for the info on trailer.I have a boat trailer that I plan
on hauling my plane on backwards.it is a 3500 load I am going to extend
it by app 3ft. ,, drop where the KF2 will sit. and now I have to widen
the outer frame rails to app 75' so the KF will have room.all so it too
will have a hand winch.and incline channel to bring tail up level on
front of trailer.so less stress on wings and tail.when going down the
road.all so will take some leafs out of axle to make soffer ride for
KF.trailer will all so have a tool box.off of a Pick up .what do U think
Noel?? will this work?? Thanks again Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2

Noel Loveys wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: 'Noel Loveys' <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca>
>
> If I were going to build a trailer to carry my plane, I have one now, I
> would make sure the trailer was at least a foot wider than the gear. This
> makes loading the trailer a lot easier ( 6' clearance per side)
>
> Just an idea.
>
> My trailer is a double Ski-Doo trailer which I extended the tow arm by about
> five feet using an insert. The insert carries a channel to allow the tail
> wheel to track in while loading and unloading. It also has a small hand
> winch to help haul the mains up on the platform.
>
> Two good side effects of the extension are the trailer tracks a lot better
> on the highway and backing up is a lot easier. This trailer is rated for
> something in the order of 2500Lb so I can actually carry planes a bit larger
> than my own.
>
> Noel
>
>
>
>
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

Steve-

I'll measure what my trailer is now, and also the width of my plane
as it sits, ready to fly, and get back to you.
I also used a light boat trailer for a base, and added a 3" channel
for the tailwheel to ride upon, and the original boat winch for
pulling the plane into place. I made the main wheel ramps hinge, and
they became part of the main wheel "pockets."
I'll send you pictures directly.

Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/420+ hrs
On Nov 1, 2007, at 8:02 PM, Steve Shinabery wrote:

Quote:


Hi Lynn.thanks 4 the imput on trailer.I have a boat trailer that I
am going to,or tying to convert to my use.if I would go to your
grove landing gear and the King fox tires what would I need in
width ? the trailer now is in side of trailer frame rails.is app
70" and I could easy change it to app 73" by cuting frame rails off
and welding to the outside of rails all..so I only have app 3"
extra..but may i could go to welding shop and some how have some
major changes done to make more room..So Lynn what would the width
be that I would need???I plan on extending trailer app 3' of HD
square tubeing.for extra room and to help balance KF on
trailer.Lynn could you help me on the figures???that I need..
thanks again Lynn,,Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

Thanks there is alot of good ideas here too.this all helps me..Steve
Shinabery N554KF KF2

Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
[quote] I have a remodeled boat trailer for my Avid Flyers. I didn't build
it, it came with the Avid B. Jim Chuk, Avid B 582, Avid Mk IV
Jabiru, Chisholm Mn

> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:38:38 -0400
> From: shinco(at)bright.net
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: need King Fox rims
>
>
>
> Hi Noel.thanks for the info on trailer.I have a boat trailer that I
plan
> on hauling my plane on backwards.it is a 3500 load I am going to extend
> it by app 3ft. ,, drop where the KF2 will sit. and now I have to widen
> the outer frame rails to app 75' so the KF will have room.all so it too
> will have a hand winch.and incline channel to bring tail up level on
> front of trailer.so less stress on wings and tail.when going down the
> road.all so will take some leafs out of axle to make soffer ride for
> KF.trailer will all so have a tool box.off of a Pick up .what do U
think
> Noel?? will this work?? Thanks again Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
>
> Noel Loveys wrote:
> >
> >
> > If I were going to build a trailer to carry my plane, I have one
now, I
> > would make sure the trailer was at least a foot wider than the
gear. This
> > makes loading the trailer a lot easier ( 6' clearance per side)
> >
> > Just an idea.
> >
> > My trailer is a double Ski-Doo trailer which I extended the tow
arm by about
> > five feet using an insert. The insert carries a channel to allow
the tail
> > wheel to track in while loading and unloading. It also has a small
hand
> > winch to help haul the mains up on the platform.
> >
> > Two good side effects of the extension are the trailer tracks a
lot better
> > on the highway and backing up is a lot easier. This trailer is
rated for
> > something in the order of 2500Lb so I can actually carry planes a
bit larger
> > than my own.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

I didn't realize the pics would be so small, but I think there is a way to expand them. I meant to mention about how the tailwheel is held in place. There are two hinges welded on on each side of the channel/ramp with staps welded to them. When you flip them up, you can run a bolt through the straps and one of the cross tubes in the fusaloge. This supports the tail so it is not bounceing on the tailwheel spring and ofcourse holds the tail to the trailer. I'm not sure if the Kitfoxes have them, but Avid had two crosstubes in the tailend of the fusaloge that you could hook a hitch to and tow the plane on its own wheels. Jim Chuk Avids, B, MK IV, Minn

[quote] Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 05:15:24 -0400
From: shinco(at)bright.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: need King Fox rims

--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Shinabery <shinco(at)bright.net>

Thanks there is alot of good ideas here too.this all helps me..Steve
Shinabery N554KF KF2

Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> I have a remodeled boat trailer for my Avid Flyers. I didn't build
> it, it came with the Avid B. Jim Chuk, Avid B 582, Avid Mk IV
> Jabiru, Chisholm Mn
>
> > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:38:38 -0400
> > From: shinco(at)bright.net
> > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: need King Fox rims
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Shinabery <shinco(at)bright.net>
> >
> > Hi Noel.thanks for the info on trailer.I have a boat trailer that I
> plan
> > on hauling my plane on backwards.it is a 3500 load I am going to extend
> > it by app 3ft. ,, drop where the KF2 will sit. and now I have to widen
> > the outer frame rails to app 75' so the KF will have room.all so it too
> > will have a hand winch.and incline channel to bring tail up level on
> > front of trailer.so less stress on wings and tail.when going down the
> > road.all so will take some leafs out of axle to make soffer ride for
> > KF.trailer will all so have a tool box.off of a Pick up .what do U
> think
> > Noel?? will this work?? Thanks again Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
> >
> > Noel Loveys wrote:
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: 'Noel Loveys' <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca>
> > >
> > > If I were going to build a trailer to carry my plane, I have one
> now, I
> > > would make sure the trailer was at least a foot wider than the
> gear. This
> > > makes loading the trailer a lot easier ( 6' clearance per side)
> > >
> > > Just an idea.
> > >
> > > My trailer is a double Ski-Doo trailer which I extended the tow
> arm by about
> > > five feet using an insert. The insert carries a channel to allow
> the tail
> > > wheel to track in while loading and unloading. It also has a small
> hand
> > > winch to help haul the mains up on the platform.
> > >
> > > Two good side effects of the extension are the trailer tracks a
> lot better
> > > on the highway and backing up is a lot easier. This trailer is
> rated for
> > > something in the order of 2500Lb so I can actually carry planes a
> bit larger
> > > than my own.
> > >
> > > Noel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: need King Fox rims Reply with quote

Hi Jim Thanks 4 the info.and yes my Kitfox all so has the cross over
tubes.and I will use your idea on my trailer allso.I thought about this
too but did not know how to do it..And now I do.this will help me out
greatly..Thanks Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2

Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
[quote] I didn't realize the pics would be so small, but I think there is a
way to expand them. I meant to mention about how the tailwheel is
held in place. There are two hinges welded on on each side of the
channel/ramp with staps welded to them. When you flip them up, you
can run a bolt through the straps and one of the cross tubes in the
fusaloge. This supports the tail so it is not bounceing on the
tailwheel spring and ofcourse holds the tail to the trailer. I'm not
sure if the Kitfoxes have them, but Avid had two crosstubes in the
tailend of the fusaloge that you could hook a hitch to and tow the
plane on its own wheels. Jim Chuk Avids, B, MK IV, Minn

> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 05:15:24 -0400
> From: shinco(at)bright.net
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: need King Fox rims
>
>
>
> Thanks there is alot of good ideas here too.this all helps me..Steve
> Shinabery N554KF KF2
>
> Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> > I have a remodeled boat trailer for my Avid Flyers. I didn't build
> > it, it came with the Avid B. Jim Chuk, Avid B 582, Avid Mk IV
> > Jabiru, Chisholm Mn
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:38:38 -0400
> > > From: shinco(at)bright.net
> > > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: need King Fox rims
> > >
> > >
<shinco(at)bright.net>
> > >
> > > Hi Noel.thanks for the info on trailer.I have a boat trailer that I
> > plan
> > > on hauling my plane on backwards.it is a 3500 load I am going to
extend
> > > it by app 3ft. ,, drop where the KF2 will sit. and now I have to
widen
> > > the outer frame rails to app 75' so the KF will have room.all so
it too
> > > will have a hand winch.and incline channel to bring tail up level on
> > > front of trailer.so less stress on wings and tail.when going
down the
> > > road.all so will take some leafs out of axle to make soffer ride for
> > > KF.trailer will all so have a tool box.off of a Pick up .what do U
> > think
> > > Noel?? will this work?? Thanks again Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
> > >
> > > Noel Loveys wrote:
> > > >
<noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca>
> > > >
> > > > If I were going to build a trailer to carry my plane, I have one
> > now, I
> > > > would make sure the trailer was at least a foot wider than the
> > gear. This
> > > > makes loading the trailer a lot easier ( 6' clearance per side)
> > > >
> > > > Just an idea.
> > > >
> > > > My trailer is a double Ski-Doo trailer which I extended the tow
> > arm by about
> > > > five feet using an insert. The insert carries a channel to allow
> > the tail
> > > > wheel to track in while loading and unloading. It also has a
small
> > hand
> > > > winch to help haul the mains up on the platform.
> > > >
> > > > Two good side effects of the extension are the trailer tracks a
> > lot better
> > > > on the highway and backing up is a lot easier. This trailer is
> > rated for
> > > > something in the order of 2500Lb so I can actually carry planes a
> > bit larger
> > > > than my own.
> > > >
> > > > Noel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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