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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:38 pm    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

Greetings Aeroelectric list.

After 21 years of hand-propping my Continental O-200 I may finally install a starter because I will probably be installing a fuel injection system.

The thing I don't like is 10 pounds for the starter and another 25 lb. for the battery. What is the smallest battery I can likely get away with? It usually starts within a pull or two, so I don't think that I'll need a starter/battery combination strong enough to taxi the aircraft.

Thanks.

Sam Hoskins
Quickie Q-200
Murphysboro, IL
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

Sam,

The Odyssey PC680 Battery weighs 15 lbs and is used to start O-540’s in several planes I know of:

http://www.odysseybatteries.com/batteries.htm

You should be able to get by with something even smaller such as a PC545 at 12 lbs.


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Greetings Aeroelectric list.

After 21 years of hand-propping my Continental O-200 I may finally install a starter because I will probably be installing a fuel injection system.

The thing I don't like is 10 pounds for the starter and another 25 lb. for the battery. What is the smallest battery I can likely get away with? It usually starts within a pull or two, so I don't think that I'll need a starter/battery combination strong enough to taxi the aircraft.

Thanks.

Sam Hoskins
Quickie Q-200
Murphysboro, IL
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

I forgot to mention - I do have high (9:1) compression pistons.

SRH

On 11/3/07, Sam Hoskins <shoskins(at)mchsi.com (shoskins(at)mchsi.com)> wrote:[quote]Greetings Aeroelectric list.

After 21 years of hand-propping my Continental O-200 I may finally install a starter because I will probably be installing a fuel injection system.

The thing I don't like is 10 pounds for the starter and another 25 lb. for the battery. What is the smallest battery I can likely get away with? It usually starts within a pull or two, so I don't think that I'll need a starter/battery combination strong enough to taxi the aircraft.

Thanks.

Sam Hoskins
Quickie Q-200
Murphysboro, IL
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

I start my Lyc 0-235C winter and summer with an $18 lawn garden tractor battery.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

Forgot??
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Subject: Re: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter?

I forgot to mention - I do have high (9:1) compression pistons.

SRH

On 11/3/07, Sam Hoskins <shoskins(at)mchsi.com (shoskins(at)mchsi.com)> wrote:
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Greetings Aeroelectric list.

After 21 years of hand-propping my Continental O-200 I may finally install a starter because I will probably be installing a fuel injection system.

The thing I don't like is 10 pounds for the starter and another 25 lb. for the battery. What is the smallest battery I can likely get away with? It usually starts within a pull or two, so I don't think that I'll need a starter/battery combination strong enough to taxi the aircraft.

Thanks.

Sam Hoskins
Quickie Q-200
Murphysboro, IL
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:04 am    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

I found this article about Odyssey batteries, as used in boats. There is a lot of background on WHY the Odyssey is better.
http://www.swordfishingcentral.com/odyssey-batteries.html

Sam

On 11/3/07, Michel Creek <mwcreek(at)frontiernet.net (mwcreek(at)frontiernet.net)> wrote:[quote]
Sam,

The Odyssey PC680 Battery weighs 15 lbs and is used to start O-540's in several planes I know of:

http://www.odysseybatteries.com/batteries.htm

You should be able to get by with something even smaller such as a PC545 at 12 lbs.


From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:35 PM
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Subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter?


Greetings Aeroelectric list.

After 21 years of hand-propping my Continental O-200 I may finally install a starter because I will probably be installing a fuel injection system.

The thing I don't like is 10 pounds for the starter and another 25 lb. for the battery. What is the smallest battery I can likely get away with? It usually starts within a pull or two, so I don't think that I'll need a starter/battery combination strong enough to taxi the aircraft.

Thanks.

Sam Hoskins
Quickie Q-200
Murphysboro, IL
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:28 am    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

Thanks for the article, Sam. I hadn’t seen that article before; it is consistent with other reviews I’ve read before (don’t remember where).

Mike C.


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I found this article about Odyssey batteries, as used in boats. There is a lot of background on WHY the Odyssey is better.
http://www.swordfishingcentral.com/odyssey-batteries.html

Sam
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:27 pm    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

Sam,
The subject came up earlier, when using electronic fuel injection there is a need to plan so that the endurance of the battery is at least half the endurance of the fuel, so that a failed alternator would not stop the fan away from a landing place. The electrical load for the fuel injection includes the load for the pump at least 8A total. The Odyssey batteries are designed to deliver a high current for big cranking start but endurance is better with some others formulated for lighting and IT back up. I chose an HGL 33-12 which is a major overkill for endurance over 4hrs and weight 24lb.
The very big HGL range is sealed glass matt low maintenance good endurance. The Odyssey has the big reputation for cranking in aviation.
Peter H



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Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2007 9:13 AM
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Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter?


Sam,

The Odyssey PC680 Battery weighs 15 lbs and is used to start O-540’s in several planes I know of:

http://www.odysseybatteries.com/batteries.htm

You should be able to get by with something even smaller such as a PC545 at 12 lbs.


From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:35 PM
To: Aerolectric List
Subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter?


Greetings Aeroelectric list.

After 21 years of hand-propping my Continental O-200 I may finally install a starter because I will probably be installing a fuel injection system.

The thing I don't like is 10 pounds for the starter and another 25 lb. for the battery. What is the smallest battery I can likely get away with? It usually starts within a pull or two, so I don't think that I'll need a starter/battery combination strong enough to taxi the aircraft.

Thanks.

Sam Hoskins
Quickie Q-200
Murphysboro, IL
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:02 pm    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

Good consideration, Peter. I think will be using two batteries and one alternator. I'll use my existing battery which was designed for my original endurance bus, then I'll add a second for cranking. I'll have to get busy and run some numbers.

Sam

On 11/4/07, Peter Harris <peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com (peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com)> wrote:[quote]
Sam,
The subject came up earlier, when using electronic fuel injection there is a need to plan so that the endurance of the battery is at least half the endurance of the fuel, so that a failed alternator would not stop the fan away from a landing place. The electrical load for the fuel injection includes the load for the pump at least 8A total. The Odyssey batteries are designed to deliver a high current for big cranking start but endurance is better with some others formulated for lighting and IT back up. I chose an HGL 33-12 which is a major overkill for endurance over 4hrs and weight 24lb.
The very big HGL range is sealed glass matt low maintenance good endurance. The Odyssey has the big reputation for cranking in aviation.
Peter H



From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Michel Creek
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2007 9:13 AM
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Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter?


Sam,

The Odyssey PC680 Battery weighs 15 lbs and is used to start O-540's in several planes I know of:

http://www.odysseybatteries.com/batteries.htm

You should be able to get by with something even smaller such as a PC545 at 12 lbs.


From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:35 PM
To: Aerolectric List
Subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter?


Greetings Aeroelectric list.

After 21 years of hand-propping my Continental O-200 I may finally install a starter because I will probably be installing a fuel injection system.

The thing I don't like is 10 pounds for the starter and another 25 lb. for the battery. What is the smallest battery I can likely get away with? It usually starts within a pull or two, so I don't think that I'll need a starter/battery combination strong enough to taxi the aircraft.

Thanks.

Sam Hoskins
Quickie Q-200
Murphysboro, IL
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

Sam,
Bob has got a variety of circuits to suit almost every need with proper consideration for power and back up, if you check out the “Z files”.
Peter H.


From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 7:59 AM
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Good consideration, Peter. I think will be using two batteries and one alternator. I'll use my existing battery which was designed for my original endurance bus, then I'll add a second for cranking. I'll have to get busy and run some numbers.

Sam
On 11/4/07, Peter Harris <peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com (peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com)> wrote:
Sam,
The subject came up earlier, when using electronic fuel injection there is a need to plan so that the endurance of the battery is at least half the endurance of the fuel, so that a failed alternator would not stop the fan away from a landing place. The electrical load for the fuel injection includes the load for the pump at least 8A total. The Odyssey batteries are designed to deliver a high current for big cranking start but endurance is better with some others formulated for lighting and IT back up. I chose an HGL 33-12 which is a major overkill for endurance over 4hrs and weight 24lb.
The very big HGL range is sealed glass matt low maintenance good endurance. The Odyssey has the big reputation for cranking in aviation.
Peter H



From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Michel Creek
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2007 9:13 AM
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter?


Sam,

The Odyssey PC680 Battery weighs 15 lbs and is used to start O-540's in several planes I know of:

http://www.odysseybatteries.com/batteries.htm

You should be able to get by with something even smaller such as a PC545 at 12 lbs.


From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:35 PM
To: Aerolectric List
Subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter?


Greetings Aeroelectric list.

After 21 years of hand-propping my Continental O-200 I may finally install a starter because I will probably be installing a fuel injection system.

The thing I don't like is 10 pounds for the starter and another 25 lb. for the battery. What is the smallest battery I can likely get away with? It usually starts within a pull or two, so I don't think that I'll need a starter/battery combination strong enough to taxi the aircraft.

Thanks.

Sam Hoskins
Quickie Q-200
Murphysboro, IL
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

I know. My copy of the AeroElectronic connection is out at the hangar.

On 11/4/07, Peter Harris <peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com (peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com)> wrote:[quote]
Sam,
Bob has got a variety of circuits to suit almost every need with proper consideration for power and back up, if you check out the "Z files".
Peter H.


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Good consideration, Peter. I think will be using two batteries and one alternator. I'll use my existing battery which was designed for my original endurance bus, then I'll add a second for cranking. I'll have to get busy and run some numbers.

Sam

On 11/4/07, Peter Harris <peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com (peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com)> wrote:

Sam,
The subject came up earlier, when using electronic fuel injection there is a need to plan so that the endurance of the battery is at least half the endurance of the fuel, so that a failed alternator would not stop the fan away from a landing place. The electrical load for the fuel injection includes the load for the pump at least 8A total. The Odyssey batteries are designed to deliver a high current for big cranking start but endurance is better with some others formulated for lighting and IT back up. I chose an HGL 33-12 which is a major overkill for endurance over 4hrs and weight 24lb.
The very big HGL range is sealed glass matt low maintenance good endurance. The Odyssey has the big reputation for cranking in aviation.
Peter H



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Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter?


Sam,

The Odyssey PC680 Battery weighs 15 lbs and is used to start O-540's in several planes I know of:

http://www.odysseybatteries.com/batteries.htm

You should be able to get by with something even smaller such as a PC545 at 12 lbs.


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Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:35 PM
To: Aerolectric List
Subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter?


Greetings Aeroelectric list.

After 21 years of hand-propping my Continental O-200 I may finally install a starter because I will probably be installing a fuel injection system.

The thing I don't like is 10 pounds for the starter and another 25 lb. for the battery. What is the smallest battery I can likely get away with? It usually starts within a pull or two, so I don't think that I'll need a starter/battery combination strong enough to taxi the aircraft.

Thanks.

Sam Hoskins
Quickie Q-200
Murphysboro, IL
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

Wow, the website has a vicious set of pop-ups. This review seems to be to good to be true, is this one brand of battery really so superior?

On 11/4/07, Peter Harris <peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com (peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com)> wrote:[quote]
Sam,
Bob has got a variety of circuits to suit almost every need with proper consideration for power and back up, if you check out the "Z files".
Peter H.


From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
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Good consideration, Peter. I think will be using two batteries and one alternator. I'll use my existing battery which was designed for my original endurance bus, then I'll add a second for cranking. I'll have to get busy and run some numbers.

Sam
On 11/4/07, Peter Harris <peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com (peterjfharris(at)bigpond.com)> wrote:
Sam,
The subject came up earlier, when using electronic fuel injection there is a need to plan so that the endurance of the battery is at least half the endurance of the fuel, so that a failed alternator would not stop the fan away from a landing place. The electrical load for the fuel injection includes the load for the pump at least 8A total. The Odyssey batteries are designed to deliver a high current for big cranking start but endurance is better with some others formulated for lighting and IT back up. I chose an HGL 33-12 which is a major overkill for endurance over 4hrs and weight 24lb.
The very big HGL range is sealed glass matt low maintenance good endurance. The Odyssey has the big reputation for cranking in aviation.
Peter H



From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Michel Creek
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Sam,

The Odyssey PC680 Battery weighs 15 lbs and is used to start O-540's in several planes I know of:

http://www.odysseybatteries.com/batteries.htm

You should be able to get by with something even smaller such as a PC545 at 12 lbs.


From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:35 PM
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Subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter?


Greetings Aeroelectric list.

After 21 years of hand-propping my Continental O-200 I may finally install a starter because I will probably be installing a fuel injection system.

The thing I don't like is 10 pounds for the starter and another 25 lb. for the battery. What is the smallest battery I can likely get away with? It usually starts within a pull or two, so I don't think that I'll need a starter/battery combination strong enough to taxi the aircraft.

Thanks.

Sam Hoskins
Quickie Q-200
Murphysboro, IL
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: How small battery for the B&C BC320 starter? Reply with quote

The TYPE is superior but there are other equivalent units to the Odysey
IMO such as the Dekka series by East Penn Mfg.
Even the 15AH one in my $30. Chinese automobile booster has survived
much more abuse than I expected. I've even run a 1 kw inverter off it
for power at the airport.
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