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 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: AeroElectric-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/09/07 |
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I appreciate your efforts in trying to provide a service but Yahoo lists are free and if I have to support you then I'll opt out.
Your choice,
Warm regards,
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Total Messages Posted Fri 11/09/07: 12
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0. 12:38 AM - If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet!  (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:59 AM - Runaway trim (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
2. 08:11 AM - Antennae connector (Ernest Christley)
3. 10:28 AM - Re: LR-3 Controller (dksington)
4. 11:44 AM - Re: Batteries (Kevin Boddicker)
5. 01:28 PM - Re: 496 Audio (Dave Saylor)
6. 01:45 PM - 396/496 Audio Revisited. (emrath(at)comcast.net (emrath(at)comcast.net))
7. 04:18 PM - Wire Protection - Again (Valovich, Paul)
8. 04:50 PM - Re: Batteries (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: LR-3 Controller (Matt Prather)
10. 06:41 PM - Re: Antennae connector (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 10:17 PM - Re: Antennae connector (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________
Time: 12:38:39 AM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> (dralle(at)matronics.com)
Subject: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution
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________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 12:59:10 AM PST US
From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net> (dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net)
Subject: Runaway trim
Frank is correct:
The folks at the Portland RVators did some testing on the runaway trim issue
and confirmed this. While full up or down trim is difficult to counter-act
when the aircraft is flying at high speed, simply throttling back and
slowing down restores sufficient control authority to the pilot that a safe
landing can be made.
One thing I have not heard mentioned is elevator trim twitchiness in the RV
aircraft. I had heard some folks mention that there is too much (electric)
trim twitchiness at high speed and, trim does not respond fast enough when
the aircraft is flying slow in the pattern. So....I purchased a trim
control module from F-1 Rocket Boy to solve this (perceived) problem. I
have a micro switch that opens when the flaps are down to send a signal to
the trim control module to change the trim motor speed. One of the design
features of this unit is that it has a runaway trim sensing feature built
in. If the trim button is held for more than 5 seconds (ie. a trim wire
shorted to ground), the trim control module assumes a runaway condition and
shuts off the trim motor. Cycling power returns the unit to normal
operating condition.
Does anyone on the list use one of these trim control modules? Is it worth
the time and effort I had to put into wiring it into my system (the price
was reasonable)? And lastly, has it been reliable and does it always work
as advertised? Since the airplane hasn't flown yet I'd like to know what to
expect. Thanks.
Dean
RV-6A N197DM
Functional (electron) checkout in progress.
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Subject: RE: TRIM Disconnect Switch
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> (frank.hinde(at)hp.com)>
And if you have a fast airplane like an RV or Glassair and the stick
forces get too high then simply slow down.
I certainly would not bother with another switch.
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 08:11:54 AM PST US
From: Ernest Christley <echristley(at)nc.rr.com> (echristley(at)nc.rr.com)
Subject: Antennae connector
I'm buying a used transponder that does not have the atennae connectory
on the rear. This is the type that locks into the mounting tray with a
clip ring, and the coax exits out the side. Is there a proper name for
this connector? Where could I obtain just one?
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 10:28:50 AM PST US
Subject: Re: LR-3 Controller
From: "dksington" <derek(at)sington.net> (derek(at)sington.net)
Forgive my ignorance, but why would the LR3-C be incompatible? Does it not merely
send 'switch-on, switch-off' commands to the alternator, and as such as far
as the alternator is concerned it is merely being told to turn on or off? If
this is the case (and I am guessing that there is more to it) then am I not
simply doubling up on alternator control, and with the previously documented problems
with internal regulation am insuring against a reasonably likely future
failure of the internal regulation mechanism?
Are the dimensions of the S701-1 the same as the stock Vans' master contactor (ES
24115) (which I already have attached to my firewall)?
Thank you for your patience with my questions
Derek.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144823#144823
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 11:44:00 AM PST US
From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst(at)netins.net> (trumanst(at)netins.net)
Subject: Re: Batteries
Bob,
You should receive the batteries Monday or Tuesday via USPS.
Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 78.6 hours
Luana, IA.
On Nov 7, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
| Quote: | <nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net> (nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net)
At 09:12 AM 11/7/2007 -0600, you wrote:
| Quote: | Bob,
A few weeks back someone on the list posted a url for some low
priced AA and AAA cells.
You asked him to send some to you for evaluation, if he made the
purchase.
I did indeed make that purchase. If the other lister has not send
you any cells, I would be happy to. They are from Batteries dot
com. 500 cells for $49.99 + $11.98 shipping. Thats 12.3 cents per
cell delivered! The cells have a 12 2012 out date. I was
concerned that they might be short dated for that price.
If you would like to hook them up to your battery runner downer I
please let me know, I will send some to you.
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Okay. A pair will suffice. I didn't get samples
from the other gentleman.
On this same topic, Big Lots has a 48-pak of
AA Maxell alkalines on sale for $9.00 here in
Wichita. Best price yet at under 20-cents per
cell.
I'm checking their capacity now. Will add your
samples to the data base. Thanks for your
time and interest.
Bob Nuckolls
6936 Bainbridge Road
Wichita, KS 67226-1008
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:53 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com> (Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com) Subject: RE: 496 Audio Thanks, Ken. I'll pass this on to Jacek, who did most of the grunt work. Dave --
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: AeroElectric-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/09/07 |
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Gary Hall wrote:
| Quote: | I appreciate your efforts in trying to provide a service but Yahoo lists
are free and if I have to support you then I'll opt out.
Your choice,
Warm regards,
gary
Matt's lists cost you the sight of a couple of donation-request emails
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per year. Contribution is voluntary.
On the other hand, it's pretty hard for me to think of dealing with the
clunkiness of Yahoo as 'free'...
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Bob McC
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject: AeroElectric-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/09/07 |
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I know I shouldn't reply to issues like this, because my feelings and emotions on the matter and my way of wording replies sometimes gets me in trouble, but here goes anyway. Flame suit on. (If necessary)
Gary;
#1 Very kind of you to append the whole of today's digest messages to your reply. (see Matt's rules of conduct for use of these lists)
#2 How considerate that you think Matt should fork out the mega $$$$$$ it costs to support/run/host these lists without any consideration from those who benefit from their existence. (You and me. Matt's not the one gaining here)
#3 I, for one, appreciate the ease of use, and especially the freedom from clutter/adds that these lists provide. They are FAR easier to use and follow without all the annoying junk found on Yahoo. (your example alternate)
#4 I'm not yet building (Falco F8L), but only presently lurking (with the occasional post) and gathering, what I consider to be, volumes of valuable knowledge. (and in my opinion some of the most progressive knowledge going. Between Bob Nuckolls, Stein Bruch, Eric Jones, and even sometimes gmcjetpilot, to name just a few of the knowledgeable souls on this list, how can you go wrong???)
#5 The entertainment value alone is worth the token amount Matt requests of us each year. Heck he doesn't even specify how much, leaves it entirely up to you what you feel is fair.
#6 When this list provides information or assistance to you which saves you time , $$, $time$, or damaged components, (more$$$$) maybe you should consider giving that money to Matt.
#7 Maybe the cost of the electrical course you don't need to take because of subscribing to this list should be forwarded to Matt????
#8 Maybe the $$$ you save by not having to have someone else sort your electrical issues should be sent to Matt?????
#9 Or maybe, just maybe, you should consider sending your token $10-$20-$30-$40-$?? like most others for one of the most valuable, convenient, informative lists going. Where else can you get Bob N's sage advice for so little??? Certainly not on Yahoo!
Rant off.
Matt, some of us do appreciate the format. Thank you so very much. The $$ is well worth it.
Bob McC
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Bret Smith
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Thank you Charlie,
Isn't it amazing how different people determine value?
Bret Smith
RV-9A N16BL
Blue Ridge, Ga
www.FlightInnovations.com
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:28 am Post subject: AeroElectric-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/09/07 |
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you get what you pay for one way or another. if one's time is worth
nothing then wasting time reading garbage can seem like good value.
On Nov 10, 2007 9:49 PM, Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Gary Hall wrote:
> I appreciate your efforts in trying to provide a service but Yahoo lists
> are free and if I have to support you then I'll opt out.
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> Your choice,
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> Warm regards,
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> gary
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Matt's lists cost you the sight of a couple of donation-request emails
per year. Contribution is voluntary.
On the other hand, it's pretty hard for me to think of dealing with the
clunkiness of Yahoo as 'free'...
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