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grantr
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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Guys I want a GPS for my new plane. I have 2 in mind the Garmin 196 and the Airmap 600.
The airmap has a better price and has a color screen.
I want to be able to power the GPS with 12v power from the plane along with having the internal backup batteries.
I talked to a guy today who was trying to rip me a new one. He has a garmin 195 and wanted $800. he then said he would take $600. Ha. I can get the new 196 fro a tad more. Anyway he told me the government turns off the satellite that the air gps units use from time to time. Is that true?
He said the gps units will just go out no signal while flying. Has that happened to any of you?
What are you opinions of the Garmin 196 and Airamp 600?
I am not looking for a very expensive unit. i just want a good reliable one that I can program waypoints in and will show me airports, ground speed altitude and more.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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Both are great GPS units, I prefer the color screen because I can see it better if you have great eyesight get either one and you will be happy
Oh yah every once in a while the Government sends me a note to go up and turn off all the Satellites "Yah Right "......LOL
Ellery in Maine
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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Grant, I have a Lowrance 2000C and I really like it. Big display with
three brightness levels. Runs for an hour on internal battery backup.
Has a lighter plug cord for getting ships power. I cut off the plug
and connected it to ships power direct. Comes with a terrain avoidance
chip and software to create custom maps. Uses cheap SD chips for
storage. I've successfully used 1 gig chips with no problem. Very
simple to use. If you pay a nickle more you can go first class.
Rick
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Both are great GPS units, I prefer the color screen because I can see it
better if you have great eyesight get either one and you will be happy
Oh yah every once in a while the Government sends me a note to go up and
turn off all the Satellites "Yah Right "......LOL
Ellery in Maine
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The BaronVonEvil
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 76 Location: Walla Walla, WA.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: GPS selection help? |
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Hi Grant,
I haven't noticed GPS satellites being shut off. I think the GPS sats are the same for ground or air regardless. There maybe a time like 9-11 national emergency when that might happen but I think everyone would know then about a shut down of the system.
I would say buy the best one that will fit your budget. Most of the Air types of GPS receivers need to be updated on a regular basis to keep current with changes in terrain and obstacles. So you gotta figure on buying those updates into the costs as well.
My suggestion would be to find a local pilot in your area with a GPS already installed and try using it as a navigator for them on a short trip.
Or mount one in your car and try using it while you drive around to get a sense as to how it will work for you.
Personally, I still use a map and a compass, they don't need batteries.
Best of Luck
Carlos G.
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lcottrell
Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 1494 Location: Jordan Valley, Or
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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I should have said - With a new 503 engine and power from the plane battery
I experienced interference problems that I was not able to cure until I
powered it with batteries.
Larry C
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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At 08:51 PM 11/11/2007, grantr wrote:
Quote: | ...he told me the government turns off the satellite that the air gps
units use from time to time. Is that true?
He said the gps units will just go out no signal while flying. Has that
happened to any of you?
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That'd be crazy. Can you imagine the fallout if the government turned the
GPS system off while airliners full of passengers were in the air relying
on it?
They DO have the ability to degrade the signal, using a system called
"selective availablity" or SA, to prevent bad guys from using it against us
, but they haven't done it in some years now, and say they won't any more.
I _have_ seen flaky GPS receivers, though, that sometimes lose the signal
for no reason... could be the case with the one he was trying to sell you.
-Dana
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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John Hauck
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 4639 Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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| Personally, I still use a map and a compass, they don't need
batteries.
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Carlos:
Curious!
Don't quite understand why you are making GPS recommendations to a
newbie, then say you use sectional and mag compass?
john h
Las Vergas, NV (Nellis AFB)
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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| Personally, I still use a map and a compass, they don't need
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Carlos:
Curious!
Don't quite understand why you are making GPS recommendations to a
newbie, then say you use sectional and mag compass?
john h
Las Vergas, NV (Nellis AFB)
John,
Carlos did not recommend any particular GPS, just said pick the one that
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fits your budget.
Than added that he finds dead reconing and pilotage to be all he himself
requires.
Did I miss something?
Denny, mk-3, Airmap 100 that I don't get to use nearly enough
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John Hauck
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 4639 Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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| Denny
Denny:
Yep, I got the part that he did not recommend a particular brand of
GPS, but was telling the newbie how he should go about deciding on
what he needed.
Based on what the Baron Von Evil wrote in his email, I took it to mean
he had no experience with GPS and was telling a newbie what he should
do to decide on one. Thought that a little peculiar.
Normally, to me, it would be more appropriate to hand out advice if
one had experience in that particular area.
john h
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rlaird
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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Grant --
I currently fly with the Garmin 196... prior to that, had an Airmap 100... my brother flew with the Airmap 500 (the b&w version of the 600). Each advance is better than the one before, for sure. The larger screen of the 196 is terrific, but I really liked the Airmap 100, too. I use it for a backup now. As long as the color is viewable in daylight, I'd probably lean toward the 600 as I know it has more-or-less the same features and capabilities of the 196. You can find out about it's battery use on the Lowrance web site.
-- Robert
On 11/11/07, grantr <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com (grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com (grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com)>
Guys I want a GPS for my new plane. I have 2 in mind the Garmin 196 and the Airmap 600.
The airmap has a better price and has a color screen.
I want to be able to power the GPS with 12v power from the plane along with having the internal backup batteries.
I talked to a guy today who was trying to rip me a new one. He has a garmin 195 and wanted $800. he then said he would take $600. Ha. I can get the new 196 fro a tad more. Anyway he told me the government turns off the satellite that the air gps units use from time to time. Is that true?
He said the gps units will just go out no signal while flying. Has that happened to any of you?
What are you opinions of the Garmin 196 and Airamp 600?
I am not looking for a very expensive unit. i just want a good reliable one that I can program waypoints in and will show me airports, ground speed altitude and more.
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George Alexander
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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Grant, Larry et al:
Used 196s have been running $425-$475 pretty consistently on eBay. There
are also several outfits that sell reconditioned ones that they took in on
trade. That's where I got mine just after the 296 came out.
The 196 provides information that is helpful. Has many features that I
never get to with the kind of flying that I do. I find that I mostly use it
for watching ground speed. Helps, too, for some precision in location for
radio calls. ("Hey Beauford, I'm 5 miles east of the field.") Has a
credible land feature that I use in the car, very often. (Probably got my
money's worth out of it in the car.) It also has marine if you are into
boating. If you think you will be into long haul X-Ctry, it is a great
unit. If you are just boring holes close to home, may be more than you
need. Even though I fit in the latter category, I like gadgets!
Larry..... radio interference. Found that if I physically separated the
radio and gps, including all wires (antenna, power, headset adapter,
particularly the hs adapter, etc...) as much as possible, the interference
went away. May try some of the ferrite peanuts/modules to see if they have
any effect.
My .02 worth.
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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The BaronVonEvil
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: GPS selection help? |
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Hi John,
I have used GPS systems in the past. They were early versions and were somewhat clumsy to use, i.e. scrolling thru menus to get to the correct screens and so on. I have flown in planes equipped with the latest systems and they are impressive but, oh so expensive .
They are packed with features that make long distance travel allot more precise and can keep you out of airspace that you shouldn't be in as well.
For the type of flying I do (Low and Slow) a current sectional and an properly swung (Calibrated to the plane) compass is plenty good for my own needs.
Its all in what you want to get out of flying I guess. I prefer simplicity.
Grant was asking for an opinion and I offered mine.
Best Regards
Carlos
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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Take alook at the Lorance Air Map # 1000 it's great.. Joe N101HD
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lucien
Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 721 Location: santa fe, NM
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: Re: GPS selection help? |
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John Hauck wrote: | | Did I miss something?
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| Denny
Denny:
Yep, I got the part that he did not recommend a particular brand of
GPS, but was telling the newbie how he should go about deciding on
what he needed.
Based on what the Baron Von Evil wrote in his email, I took it to mean
he had no experience with GPS and was telling a newbie what he should
do to decide on one. Thought that a little peculiar.
Normally, to me, it would be more appropriate to hand out advice if
one had experience in that particular area.
john h
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I seem to recall a thread a little while ago about VG's, where suggestions were made that they weren't needed tho the suggestor had no experience with them on his plane?
insert big smiley here.....
As for the Baron's advice, I have no trouble with an alternative viewpoint - i.e. lots of experience with pilotage/ded reckoning - being put into the mix when it comes to GPS, tho I'll admit that pertains more to the question of no GPS vs. using (any) GPS.
As for the particular brand of GPS I've used garmin and airmap GPS's a fair bit and find the differences to be pretty minimal, with each having advantages/disadvantages. The airmaps are less expensive and have very good bang/buck, the 600c being in my experience a great deal. The Garmins, OTOH, have better software, IMO. It's somewhat easier to use and is a little more capable.
As for satellite outages, they're real and a valid concern. For example, the military shuts down GPS in my area on a regular basis for hours at a time. The coverage of the shutdown is pretty significant too and you wouldn't want to be in the middle of shooting an approach in here when it does shut off suddenly. Usually there're NOTAMS to this affect, but that don't turn em back on again!
LS
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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FWIW -- as I understand it there are 27 GPS satellites; 24 are in use, 3 are spares. So whichever side of globe you're on, you can get a good fix. My handheld often 'sees' 6-8.I have found that they will not receive under thick green leaves (shouldn't be flying that low!!) or in heavy snow.
This happened to me once in a boat, was a big surprise.
Some time ago a small bizjet flew from Norway to the MBAA meet in Florida, using nothing but a handheld GPS. Worked fine. They had a panelful of bigger units but didn't have to use them .
I think if you have problems, it's with the receiver or its installation; not the GPS satellites.
GPS's are impressive little beasts but do need good installation and a good view of the sky.
On Nov 12, 2007, at 9:22 AM, lucien wrote:
[quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com (lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com)>
John Hauck wrote:
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Denny:
Yep, I got the part that he did not recommend a particular brand of
GPS, but was telling the newbie how he should go about deciding on
what he needed.
Based on what the Baron Von Evil wrote in his email, I took it to mean
he had no experience with GPS and was telling a newbie what he should
do to decide on one. Thought that a little peculiar.
Normally, to me, it would be more appropriate to hand out advice if
one had experience in that particular area.
john h
mkIII
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I seem to recall a thread a little while ago about VG's, where suggestions were made that they weren't needed tho the suggestor had no experience with them on his plane?
insert big smiley here.....
As for the Baron's advice, I have no trouble with an alternative viewpoint - i.e. lots of experience with pilotage/ded reckoning - being put into the mix when it comes to GPS, tho I'll admit that pertains more to the question of no GPS vs. using (any) GPS.
As for the particular brand of GPS I've used garmin and airmap GPS's a fair bit and find the differences to be pretty minimal, with each having advantages/disadvantages. The airmaps are less expensive and have very good bang/buck, the 600c being in my experience a great deal. The Garmins, OTOH, have better software, IMO. It's somewhat easier to use and is a little more capable.
As for satellite outages, they're real and a valid concern. For example, the military shuts down GPS in my area on a regular basis for hours at a time. The coverage of the shutdown is pretty significant too and you wouldn't want to be in the middle of shooting an approach in here when it does shut off suddenly. Usually there're NOTAMS to this affect, but that don't turn em back on again!
LS
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John Hauck
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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| I seem to recall a thread a little while ago about VG's, where
suggestions were made that they weren't needed tho the suggestor had
no experience with them on his plane?
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Lucien:
Gee, how do I say this without "suggesting"?
I didn't need them before I flew them, and I still don't need them.
Please don't take that as a suggestion.
john h
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: GPS selection help? |
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You can get an Airmap 2000C for $700 , big screen all the mounts you would
ever need, external ant. battery backup, ready to go out of the box. I love
using it. It will calculate about anything you can imagine. Con's It
doesn't whisper sweet nothings in your ear while flying.
Vic
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