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grantr

Joined: 12 Sep 2007
Posts: 217

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

Guys I want a GPS for my new plane. I have 2 in mind the Garmin 196 and the Airmap 600.



The airmap has a better price and has a color screen.



I want to be able to power the GPS with 12v power from the plane along with having the internal backup batteries.



I talked to a guy today who was trying to rip me a new one. He has a  garmin 195 and wanted $800. he then said he would take $600. Ha. I can get the new 196 fro a tad more. Anyway he told me the government turns off the satellite that the air gps units use from time to time. Is that true?



He said the gps units will just go out no signal while flying. Has that happened to any of you?



What are you opinions of the Garmin 196 and Airamp 600?



I am not looking for a very expensive unit. i just want a good reliable one that  I can program waypoints in and will show me airports, ground speed altitude and more.

ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

Both are great GPS units,  I prefer the color screen because I can see it better  if you have great eyesight get either one and you will be happy  

 Oh yah every once in a while the Government sends me a note to go up and turn off  all the Satellites "Yah Right "......LOL

  

 Ellery in Maine 

  

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lcottrell

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

Grant, I have a Lowrance 2000C and I really like it. Big display with

three brightness levels. Runs for an hour on internal battery backup.

Has a lighter plug cord for getting ships power. I cut off the plug

and connected it to ships power direct. Comes with a terrain avoidance

chip and software to create custom maps. Uses cheap SD chips for

storage. I've successfully used 1 gig chips with no problem. Very

simple to use. If you pay a nickle more you can go first class.



Rick



On Nov 11, 2007 8:06 PM,  <ElleryWeld(at)aol.com> wrote:

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 Both are great GPS units,  I prefer the color screen because I can see it

 better  if you have great eyesight get either one and you will be happy

 Oh yah every once in a while the Government sends me a note to go up and

 turn off  all the Satellites "Yah Right "......LOL



 Ellery in Maine



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The BaronVonEvil

Joined: 23 Jun 2006
Posts: 76
Location: Walla Walla, WA.

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: GPS selection help?

Hi Grant,



I haven't noticed GPS satellites being shut off. I think the GPS sats are the same for ground or air regardless.  There maybe a time like 9-11 national emergency when that might happen but I think everyone would know then about a shut down of the system.



I would say buy the best one that will fit your budget.  Most of the Air types of GPS receivers need to be updated on a regular basis to keep current with changes in terrain and obstacles.  So you gotta figure on buying those updates into the costs as well.



My suggestion would be to find a local pilot in your area with a GPS already installed and try using it as a navigator for them on a short trip.

Or mount one in your car and try using it while you drive around to get a sense as to how it will work for you.



Personally, I still use a map and a compass, they don't need batteries. 



Best of Luck



Carlos G.

lcottrell

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

I should have said - With a new 503 engine and power from the plane battery 

I experienced interference problems that I was not able to cure until I 

powered it with batteries.

Larry C

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

At 08:51 PM 11/11/2007, grantr wrote:

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		  ...he told me the government turns off the satellite that the air gps 

units use from time to time. Is that true?



He said the gps units will just go out no signal while flying. Has that 

happened to any of you?


	


That'd be crazy.  Can you imagine the fallout if the government turned the 

GPS system off while airliners full of passengers were in the air relying 

on it?



They DO have the ability to degrade the signal, using a system called 

"selective availablity" or SA, to prevent bad guys from using it against us 

, but they haven't done it in some years now, and say they won't any more.



I _have_ seen flaky GPS receivers, though, that sometimes lose the signal 

for no reason... could be the case with the one he was trying to sell you.



                                 -Dana

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

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John Hauck

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

| Personally, I still use a map and a compass, they don't need 

batteries.

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| Best of Luck

|

| Carlos G.

Carlos:



Curious!



Don't quite understand why you are making GPS recommendations to a 

newbie, then say you use sectional and mag compass?



john h

Las Vergas, NV (Nellis AFB)

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

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 | Personally, I still use a map and a compass, they don't need

 batteries.

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 | Best of Luck

 |

 | Carlos G.

 Carlos:



 Curious!



 Don't quite understand why you are making GPS recommendations to a

 newbie, then say you use sectional and mag compass?



 john h

 Las Vergas, NV (Nellis AFB)

 John,

 Carlos did not recommend any particular GPS, just said pick the one that 
	


fits your budget.

Than added that he finds dead reconing and pilotage to be all he himself 

requires.

Did I miss something?



Denny, mk-3, Airmap 100 that I don't get to use nearly enough

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

| Did I miss something?

|

| Denny



Denny:



Yep, I got the part that he did not recommend a particular brand of 

GPS, but was telling the newbie how he should go about deciding on 

what he needed.



Based on what the Baron Von Evil wrote in his email, I took it to mean 

he had no experience with GPS and was telling a newbie what he should 

do to decide on one.  Thought that a little peculiar.



Normally, to me, it would be more appropriate to hand out advice if 

one had experience in that particular area.



john h

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rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

Grant --



I currently fly with the Garmin 196... prior to that, had an Airmap 100... my brother flew with the Airmap 500 (the b&w version of the 600).  Each advance is better than the one before, for sure.  The larger screen of the 196 is terrific, but I really liked the Airmap 100, too.  I use it for a backup now.  As long as the color is viewable in daylight, I'd probably lean toward the 600 as I know it has more-or-less the same features and capabilities of the 196.  You can find out about it's battery use on the Lowrance web site. 



  -- Robert



On 11/11/07, grantr <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com (grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com (grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com)>



Guys I want a GPS for my new plane. I have 2 in mind the Garmin 196 and the Airmap 600. 



The airmap has a better price and has a color screen.



I want to be able to power the GPS with 12v power from the plane along with having the internal backup batteries.



I talked to a guy today who was trying to rip me a new one. He has a  garmin 195 and wanted $800. he then said he would take $600. Ha. I can get the new 196 fro a tad more. Anyway he told me the government turns off the satellite that the air gps units use from time to time. Is that true? 



He said the gps units will just go out no signal while flying. Has that happened to any of you?



What are you opinions of the Garmin 196 and Airamp 600?



I am not looking for a very expensive unit. i just want a good reliable one that  I can program waypoints in and will show me airports, ground speed altitude and more. 



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George Alexander

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 245
Location: SW Florida

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: GPS selection help?

Grant, Larry et al:



Used 196s have been running $425-$475 pretty consistently on eBay.  There

are also several outfits that sell reconditioned ones that they took in on

trade.  That's where I got mine just after the 296 came out.



The 196 provides information that is helpful.  Has many features that I

never get to with the kind of flying that I do.  I find that I mostly use it

for watching ground speed. Helps, too, for some precision in location for

radio calls.  ("Hey Beauford, I'm 5 miles east of the field.") Has a

credible land feature that I use in the car, very often. (Probably got my

money's worth out of it in the car.)  It also has marine if you are into

boating.  If you think you will be into long haul X-Ctry, it is a great

unit.  If you are just boring holes close to home, may be more than you

need.  Even though I fit in the latter category, I like gadgets!



Larry..... radio interference.  Found that if I physically separated the

radio and gps, including all wires (antenna, power, headset adapter,

particularly the hs adapter, etc...) as much as possible, the interference

went away.  May try some of the ferrite peanuts/modules to see if they have

any effect.



My .02 worth.



George Alexander

http://gtalexander.home.att.net





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The BaronVonEvil

Joined: 23 Jun 2006
Posts: 76
Location: Walla Walla, WA.

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: GPS selection help?

Hi John,



I have used GPS systems in the past. They were early versions and were somewhat clumsy to use, i.e. scrolling thru menus to get to the correct screens and so on.  I have flown in planes equipped with the latest systems and they are impressive but, oh so expensive . 



They are packed with features that make long distance travel allot more precise and can keep you out of airspace that you shouldn't be in as well.



For the type of flying I do (Low and Slow) a current sectional and an properly swung (Calibrated to the plane) compass is plenty good for my own needs.



Its all in what you want to get out of flying I guess. I prefer simplicity.



Grant was asking for an opinion and I offered mine. 



Best Regards



Carlos

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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: GPS selection help?

Take alook at  the Lorance Air Map # 1000 it's great..   Joe  N101HD

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lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: Re: GPS selection help?

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  | Did I miss something?

|

| Denny



Denny:



Yep, I got the part that he did not recommend a particular brand of 

GPS, but was telling the newbie how he should go about deciding on 

what he needed.



Based on what the Baron Von Evil wrote in his email, I took it to mean 

he had no experience with GPS and was telling a newbie what he should 

do to decide on one.  Thought that a little peculiar.



Normally, to me, it would be more appropriate to hand out advice if 

one had experience in that particular area.



john h

mkIII 	




I seem to recall a thread a little while ago about VG's, where suggestions were made that they weren't needed tho the suggestor had no experience with them on his plane?



insert big smiley here.....



As for the Baron's advice, I have no trouble with an alternative viewpoint - i.e. lots of experience with pilotage/ded reckoning - being put into the mix when it comes to GPS, tho I'll admit that pertains more to the question of no GPS vs. using (any) GPS.



As for the particular brand of GPS I've used garmin and airmap GPS's a fair bit and find the differences to be pretty minimal, with each having advantages/disadvantages. The airmaps are less expensive and have very good bang/buck, the 600c being in my experience a great deal. The Garmins, OTOH, have better software, IMO. It's somewhat easier to use and is a little more capable.



As for satellite outages, they're real and a valid concern. For example, the military shuts down GPS in my area on a regular basis for hours at a time. The coverage of the shutdown is pretty significant too and you wouldn't want to be in the middle of shooting an approach in here when it does shut off suddenly. Usually there're NOTAMS to this affect, but that don't turn em back on again!



LS

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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: GPS selection help?

FWIW -- as I understand it there are 27 GPS satellites; 24 are in use, 3 are spares. So whichever side of globe you're on, you can  get a good fix. My handheld often 'sees'  6-8.I have found that they will not receive  under thick green  leaves (shouldn't be flying that low!!) or in heavy snow.

This happened to me once in a boat, was a big surprise.

Some time ago a small bizjet flew from Norway to the MBAA meet in Florida, using nothing but a handheld GPS. Worked fine. They had a panelful of bigger units but didn't have to use them .

I think if you have problems, it's with the receiver or its installation; not the GPS satellites. 

GPS's are impressive little beasts but do need good installation and a good view of the sky.

On Nov 12, 2007, at 9:22 AM, lucien wrote:

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John Hauck wrote:

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		  | Did I miss something?

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| Denny

Denny:

Yep, I got the part that he did not recommend a particular brand of 

GPS, but was telling the newbie how he should go about deciding on 

what he needed.

Based on what the Baron Von Evil wrote in his email, I took it to mean 

he had no experience with GPS and was telling a newbie what he should 

do to decide on one.  Thought that a little peculiar.

Normally, to me, it would be more appropriate to hand out advice if 

one had experience in that particular area.

john h

mkIII

 	




I seem to recall a thread a little while ago about VG's, where suggestions were made that they weren't needed tho the suggestor had no experience with them on his plane?

insert big smiley here.....

As for the Baron's advice, I have no trouble with an alternative viewpoint - i.e. lots of experience with pilotage/ded reckoning - being put into the mix when it comes to GPS, tho I'll admit that pertains more to the question of no GPS vs. using (any) GPS.

As for the particular brand of GPS I've used garmin and airmap GPS's a fair bit and find the differences to be pretty minimal, with each having advantages/disadvantages. The airmaps are less expensive and have very good bang/buck, the 600c being in my experience a great deal. The Garmins, OTOH, have better software, IMO. It's somewhat easier to use and is a little more capable.

As for satellite outages, they're real and a valid concern. For example, the military shuts down GPS in my area on a regular basis for hours at a time. The coverage of the shutdown is pretty significant too and you wouldn't want to be in the middle of shooting an approach in here when it does shut off suddenly. Usually there're NOTAMS to this affect, but that don't turn em back on again!

LS

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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: GPS selection help?

| I seem to recall a thread a little while ago about VG's, where 

suggestions were made that they weren't needed tho the suggestor had 

no experience with them on his plane?

|

| insert big smiley here.....

 |

| LS

Lucien:



Gee, how do I say this without "suggesting"?



I didn't need them before I flew them, and I still don't need them. 

Please don't take that as a suggestion.  



john h

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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: GPS selection help?

You can get an Airmap 2000C for $700 , big screen all the mounts you would

ever need, external ant. battery backup, ready to go out of the box. I love

using it. It will calculate about anything you can imagine. Con's  It

doesn't whisper sweet nothings in your ear while flying.



Vic

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