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Charles Heathco
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 Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: Nose gear Mod, MSB |
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Heres my take on this. I have hit nose hard twice in my 6a landing in gusting very high cross winds, hard enuff to hear and feel the nose gear protesting, thought it a miricle that prop didnt hit the pavement. No damage resulted for wich Im gratefull. I rarely go in to a grass strip, and when I do, I have checked it out on foot first.Then I am extra vigilant and hold nose off as long as posible and taxi slowly. I know 2 6a owners back in Atl area that have taken there 6a's into grass strips often, and under less than ideal conditions, never a problem. My conclusion is these nose gear foldups are pilot error, in some form or another. As for me, I am keeping the orig "problem" gear, and maintaining healthy respect for proper landing techniques. Charlie Heathco Fayetteville Ar
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bill(at)vondane.com
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: Nose gear Mod, MSB |
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I tend to agree with you on this and am debating whether or not I will
do the upgrade...
My only concern is how your insurance company will react if you do have
an incident and you didn't comply with the "mandatory" service
bulletin... I am gong to call mine this morning and see what they say...
-Bill VonDane
www.rv8a.com
> Charles Heathco wrote:
>> Heres my take on this. I have hit nose hard twice in my 6a landing
in gusting very high cross winds, hard enuff to hear and feel the nose
gear protesting, thought it a miricle that prop didnt hit the pavement.
No damage resulted for wich Im gratefull. I rarely go in to a grass
strip, and when I do, I have checked it out on foot first.Then I am
extra vigilant and hold nose off as long as posible and taxi slowly. I
know 2 6a owners back in Atl area that have taken there 6a's into grass
strips often, and under less than ideal conditions, never a problem. My
conclusion is these nose gear foldups are pilot error, in some form or
another. As for me, I am keeping the orig "problem" gear, and
maintaining healthy respect for proper landing techniques. Charlie
Heathco Fayetteville Ar
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Vanremog(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: Nose gear Mod, MSB |
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In a message dated 11/14/2007 6:28:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, bill(at)vondane.com writes:
| Quote: | I tend to agree with you on this and am debating whether or not I will
do the upgrade...
My only concern is how your insurance company will react if you do have
an incident and you didn't comply with the "mandatory" service
bulletin... I am gong to call mine this morning and see what they say... |
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The effectivity date on the service bulletin is by next condition inspection. I will do it by then (02/2008) and I believe that that meets the letter and intent of the mandatory requirement. Am I mistaken?
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 870hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
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Dale Ensing
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Location: Aero Plantation Weddington NC
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: Nose gear Mod, MSB |
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If the nose gear modification is "mandatory", why has Van's Aircraft not
notified builders instead of letting it be discovered?
It is possible that an owner could fly for years without learning of the
modifaction if he did not visit Van's web site or belong to one of the on
line groups.
Dale Ensing
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My only concern is how your insurance company will react if you do have an
incident and you didn't comply with the "mandatory" service bulletin
-Bill VonDane
www.rv8a.com
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NationAir
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Location: Chesterfield, MO
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Nose gear Mod, MSB |
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A Mandatory Service Bulletin does not have to be complied with under an "experimental airworthiness certificate" and Part 91 operations. Insuance companies do not have requirements in their policies that state service bullitens to be complied with for you to have coverage.
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acepilot(at)bloomer.net
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: Nose gear Mod, MSB |
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I still think there is no such thing as "mandatory" on an experimental.
An AD would be mandatory, but I've never heard of an AD on an
experimental. First, how would the FAA know where to send the AD? For
example, in the aircraft registry, a couple of fictional people own
"RV-4s" lets say. Bill Davis owns one and Tom Bauer owns the other.
Bill's has some sort of problem and the FAA issues an AD. The AD
applies to all Davis RV-4 airplanes, of which there is one on the
registry. The Bauer RV-4 wouldn't get the AD, even though we all know
they are the same if built to plans and to equal building standards. If
my insurance company didn't cover MY (hypothetical, since I only own
taildraggers) RV-6A because I didn't change the nose gear, I'd pitch a
fit. I'm probably already paying a premium just for it BEING
experimental. If my nose gear folds because I land on it first, it's an
accident (isn't that what insurance is for?). Period. IS it a design
flaw? How do they know I didn't build my own nose gear leg?
do not archive.
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Bill VonDane wrote:
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I tend to agree with you on this and am debating whether or not I will
do the upgrade...
My only concern is how your insurance company will react if you do
have an incident and you didn't comply with the "mandatory" service
bulletin... I am gong to call mine this morning and see what they say...
-Bill VonDane
www.rv8a.com
> Charles Heathco wrote:
>> Heres my take on this. I have hit nose hard twice in my 6a landing
in gusting very high cross winds, hard enuff to hear and feel the nose
gear protesting, thought it a miricle that prop didnt hit the
pavement. No damage resulted for wich Im gratefull. I rarely go in to
a grass strip, and when I do, I have checked it out on foot first.Then
I am extra vigilant and hold nose off as long as posible and taxi
slowly. I know 2 6a owners back in Atl area that have taken there 6a's
into grass strips often, and under less than ideal conditions, never a
problem. My conclusion is these nose gear foldups are pilot error, in
some form or another. As for me, I am keeping the orig "problem" gear,
and maintaining healthy respect for proper landing techniques. Charlie
Heathco Fayetteville Ar
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panamared5(at)brier.net
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: Nose gear Mod, MSB |
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I asked Van this same question reference the mandatory SB requiring a
fuel tank rebuild. There response, they do not have any information
on the flying RVs or if they actually are any flying RVs. How would
they contact the owners?
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
At 10:49 AM 11/14/07, you wrote:
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If the nose gear modification is "mandatory", why has Van's Aircraft
not notified builders instead of letting it be discovered?
It is possible that an owner could fly for years without learning of
the modifaction if he did not visit Van's web site or belong to one
of the on line groups.
Dale Ensing
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