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I'm trying to find some common ground. Maybe there isn't any and its stupid to try.
The country (and the world) gave the administration the support spoken about in the piece when we went into Afghanistan. Many people believe that this administration has been inept. The piece forwarded below speaks of sacrifice. It was the administration itself that told everyone to go shopping a couple years back. If this is the central struggle of our time, why isn't there a draft? Why aren't we actually sacrificing anything? Tax cuts while we dump 2 trillion in a rat hole? How about at least a gasoline tax to help pay for this and slow down consumption of a resource that has all our money going to the mideast in the first place. Is it my patriotic duty to stand by and watch while a grossly incompetent administration bungles one job after another, and then hands medals to the bunglers?
Why are Christians making light of torture? I don't understand this. Weren't we the good guys? Wasn't that central to what really did make us better? Do unto others.......
I find it disappointing when one side claims to have all the facts, and alarming when that side starts using language suggesting the other side is guilty of treason. When either 'side' acts as if they have the right to ignore the other, especially after gaining the slimmest of majorities, they are acting contrary to principles the nation was founded on. A 51% majority is not a mandate. The other 49% of the population is not going to go away, or be murdered, or perhaps even radically change their minds. The country is a mixture of very different ideas and religions, all working toward some common good. With the slimmest of majorities this administration has moved aggressively in an attempt to solidify the power of one party in an effort to build a lasting majority. Now I would guess if you were a member of that majority, you might approve. But is that how this democracy is supposed to work?
This administration has manipulated the population's patriotism in an attempt to rally support to a neocon agenda that many believe is radical. After 911, Bush had the support of the entire country in his prosecution of the 'war' on terror. But many people believe he detoured from that battle in two important ways. First, he seemed to use 911 as an excuse to get suckered into the neocon fantasy of using American military might to reshape the world. Second, many believe this effort was prosecuted in a grossly incompetent manner.
Steve
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| Quote: | This administration has manipulated the population's patriotism in an attempt to rally support to a neocon agenda that many believe is radical. After 911, Bush had the support of the entire country in his prosecution of the 'war' on terror. But many people believe he detoured from that battle in two important ways. First, he seemed to use 911 as an excuse to get suckered into the neocon fantasy of using American military might to reshape the world. Second, many believe this effort was prosecuted in a grossly incompetent manner.
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Steve,
You need to pull your head out of your ass. Either that or move to San Francisco and run for office so you can surround youself with others who believe the crap you are spouting.
My mind is boggled by people who think that water boarding, pissing on the koran, and showing nudie pictures to terrorists is torture yet these same people do not blink when a muslim terrorist cuts off an Americans head and films it. Do you actually believe one can pick up a fresh dog turd by the clean end.
Wake the Fu*k up.
Those people want to dominate us or want us dead there is no common ground. There are no moderate muslims. They all want to see the end of Western Civilization. If you think we can talk them into behaving or assimilate them into world harmony you are nuttier than I can imagine. They ain't gonna stop until we kill enough of them or destroy enough of their infrastructure so that they have to spend every waking moment working just to eat.
You want common ground?
Write to Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Schumer, Hilary, Obama and tell them to spend their time pasing laws that..
Stop internet spammers
Compel cell phone companies to treat customers like human beings Torture is dealing with them
Punish the airlines when they cancel flights or otherwise crap on travellers
Make congressmen and senators join medicare and social security like the rest of us and eliminate their golden retirement and healthcare.
Make it so a young male muslim is as likely to get frisked at an airport as a fat old white guy like me.
Make it so sleazy greedy lawyers cannot sue for ridiculous amounts over ridiculous or non existent issues.
In short why don't you and the other liberals do something to make our lives better instead of spending all of your conscious efforts on Bush bashing. On 2 occasions we selected him through a constitutional process because he was the BEST OF THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
If you think Hilary or Obama are the answer you truly are crazy.
A draft? sacrifice? Let me tell you from personal experience that most of the populace doesn't give a second thought to veterans in and returning from foreign wars. Yeah there is a lot of lip service but very few really care.
The liberals whining about the deaths of our guys over there really do not care. It just makes good liberal press. You get to publicly spout your liberal crap because of veterans. When the muslims take over the only spouting you will be doing is to allah 5 times a day.
Wake up, when the liberal agenda is fully implemented we will be a nation of sheep meekly wandering into oblivion and will join the ranks of past world powers that are now merely socialistic societies sinking closer and closer to oblivion.
Now why don't you stop posting this crap, this is an aviation website. There are plenty of internet website were you and your liberal buddies can cuddle each others testicles and feel warm and fuzzy abou your views.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: No Title |
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oh come on milt tell us what you really think. mason
> Subject: Re: No Title
[quote] From: airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:51:38 -0800
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
--> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com>
> This administration has manipulated the population's patriotism in an attempt to rally support to a neocon agenda that many believe is radical. After 911, Bush had the support of the entire country in his prosecution of the 'war' on terror. But many people believe he detoured from that battle in two important ways. First, he seemed to use 911 as an excuse to get suckered into the neocon fantasy of using American military might to reshape the world. Second, many believe this effort was prosecuted in a grossly incompetent manner.
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> Steve
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Steve,
You need to pull your head out of your ass. Either that or move to San Francisco and run for office so you can surround youself with others who believe the crap you are spouting.
My mind is boggled by people who think that water boarding, pissing on the koran, and showing nudie pictures to terrorists is torture yet these same people do not blink when a muslim terrorist cuts off an Americans head and films it. Do you actually believe one can pick up a fresh dog turd by the clean end.
Wake the Fu*k up.
Those people want to dominate us or want us dead there is no common ground. There are no moderate muslims. They all want to see the end of Western Civilization. If you think we can talk them into behaving or assimilate them into world harmony you are nuttier than I can imagine. They ain't gonna stop until we kill enough of them or destroy enough of their infrastructure so that they have to spend every waking moment working just to eat.
You want common ground?
Write to Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Schumer, Hilary, Obama and tell them to spend their time pasing laws that..
Stop internet spammers
Compel cell phone companies to treat customers like human beings Torture is dealing with them
Punish the airlines when they cancel flights or otherwise crap on travellers
Make congressmen and senators join medicare and social security like the rest of us and eliminate their golden retirement and healthcare.
Make it so a young male muslim is as likely to get frisked at an airport as a fat old white guy like me.
Make it so sleazy greedy lawyers cannot sue for ridiculous amounts over ridiculous or non existent issues.
In short why don't you and the other liberals do something to make our lives better instead of spending all of your conscious efforts on Bush bashing. On 2 occasions we selected him through a constitutional process because he was the BEST OF THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
If you think Hilary or Obama are the answer you truly are crazy.
A draft? sacrifice? Let me tell you from personal experience that most of the populace doesn't give a second thought to veterans in and returning from foreign wars. Yeah there is a lot of lip service but very few really care.
The liberals whining about the deaths of our guys over there really do not care. It just makes good liberal press. You get to publicly spout your liberal crap because of veterans. When the muslims take over the only spouting you will be doing is to allah 5 times a day.
Wake up, when the liberal agenda is fully implemented we will be a nation of sheep meekly wandering into oblivion and will join the ranks of past world powers that are now merely socialistic societies sinking closer and closer to oblivion.
Now why don't you stop posting this crap, this is an aviation website. There are plenty of internet website were you and your liberal buddies can cuddle each others testicles and feel warm and fuzzy abou your views.
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kerry(at)kvelectric.com
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:40 am Post subject: No Title |
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Right on Milt!!!
Steve; if you’re interested in the history of what happens when the attitudes you espouse prevail, look to Neville Chamberlain as your mentor:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/chamberlain_arthur_neville.shtml
His policy of appeasement towards Adolf Hitler culminated in the Munich Agreement in which Britain and France accepted that the Czech region of the Sudetenland should be ceded to Germany. Chamberlain left Munich believing that by appeasing Hitler he had assured 'peace for our time'. However, in March 1939 Hitler annexed the rest of the Czech lands of Bohemia and Moravia, with Slovakia becoming a puppet state of Germany. Five months later in September 1939 Hitler's forces invaded Poland. Chamberlain responded with a British declaration of war on Germany
Appeasment doesn’t work, it didn’t work with Hitler and it won’t work with Muslim extermeists, in fact they are much worse than Hitler because unlike Hitler, they believe it a great honor to die while killing us infidels.
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oh come on milt tell us what you really think. mason
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:51:38 -0800
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
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> --> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com>
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> > This administration has manipulated the population's patriotism in an attempt to rally support to a neocon agenda that many believe is radical. After 911, Bush had the support of the entire country in his prosecution of the 'war' on terror. But many people believe he detoured from that battle in two important ways. First, he seemed to use 911 as an excuse to get suckered into the neocon fantasy of using American military might to reshape the world. Second, many believe this effort was prosecuted in a grossly incompetent manner.
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> > Steve
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> Steve,
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> You need to pull your head out of your ass. Either that or move to San Francisco and run for office so you can surround youself with others who believe the crap you are spouting.
>
> My mind is boggled by people who think that water boarding, pissing on the koran, and showing nudie pictures to terrorists is torture yet these same people do not blink when a muslim terrorist cuts off an Americans head and films it. Do you actually believe one can pick up a fresh dog turd by the clean end.
>
> Wake the Fu*k up.
>
> Those people want to dominate us or want us dead there is no common ground. There are no moderate muslims. They all want to see the end of Western Civilization. If you think we can talk them into behaving or assimilate them into world harmony you are nuttier than I can imagine. They ain't gonna stop until we kill enough of them or destroy enough of their infrastructure so that they have to spend every waking moment working just to eat.
>
>
> You want common ground?
>
> Write to Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Schumer, Hilary, Obama and tell them to spend their time pasing laws that..
>
> Stop internet spammers
>
> Compel cell phone companies to treat customers like human beings Torture is dealing with them
>
> Punish the airlines when they cancel flights or otherwise crap on travellers
>
> Make congressmen and senators join medicare and social security like the rest of us and eliminate their golden retirement and healthcare.
>
> Make it so a young male muslim is as likely to get frisked at an airport as a fat old white guy like me.
>
> Make it so sleazy greedy lawyers cannot sue for ridiculous amounts over ridiculous or non existent issues.
>
> In short why don't you and the other liberals do something to make our lives better instead of spending all of your conscious efforts on Bush bashing. On 2 occasions we selected him through a constitutional process because he was the BEST OF THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
>
> If you think Hilary or Obama are the answer you truly are crazy.
>
> A draft? sacrifice? Let me tell you from personal experience that most of the populace doesn't give a second thought to veterans in and returning from foreign wars. Yeah there is a lot of lip service but very few really care.
>
> The liberals whining about the deaths of our guys over there really do not care. It just makes good liberal press. You get to publicly spout your liberal crap because of veterans. When the muslims take over the only spouting you will be doing is to allah 5 times a day.
>
> Wake up, when the liberal agenda is fully implemented we will be a nation of sheep meekly wandering into oblivion and will join the ranks of past world powers that are now merely socialistic societies sinking closer and closer to oblivion.
>
> Now why don't you stop posting this crap, this is an aviation website. There are plenty of internet website were you and your liberal buddies can cuddle each others testicles and feel warm and fuzzy abou your views.
>
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> 2006 Radial Rocket
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: No Title |
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What a diplomat. <G>
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: No Title |
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amen - get back to commanders..
bobf
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On 11/16/07, N395V <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com (airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com)> wrote: [quote]--> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" < airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com (airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com)>
| Quote: | This administration has manipulated the population's patriotism in an attempt to rally support to a neocon agenda that many believe is radical. After 911, Bush had the support of the entire country in his prosecution of the 'war' on terror. But many people believe he detoured from that battle in two important ways. First, he seemed to use 911 as an excuse to get suckered into the neocon fantasy of using American military might to reshape the world. Second, many believe this effort was prosecuted in a grossly incompetent manner.
Steve
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Steve,
You need to pull your head out of your ass. Either that or move to San Francisco and run for office so you can surround youself with others who believe the crap you are spouting.
My mind is boggled by people who think that water boarding, pissing on the koran, and showing nudie pictures to terrorists is torture yet these same people do not blink when a muslim terrorist cuts off an Americans head and films it. Do you actually believe one can pick up a fresh dog turd by the clean end.
Wake the Fu*k up.
Those people want to dominate us or want us dead there is no common ground. There are no moderate muslims. They all want to see the end of Western Civilization. If you think we can talk them into behaving or assimilate them into world harmony you are nuttier than I can imagine. They ain't gonna stop until we kill enough of them or destroy enough of their infrastructure so that they have to spend every waking moment working just to eat.
You want common ground?
Write to Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Schumer, Hilary, Obama and tell them to spend their time pasing laws that..
Stop internet spammers
Compel cell phone companies to treat customers like human beings Torture is dealing with them
Punish the airlines when they cancel flights or otherwise crap on travellers
Make congressmen and senators join medicare and social security like the rest of us and eliminate their golden retirement and healthcare.
Make it so a young male muslim is as likely to get frisked at an airport as a fat old white guy like me.
Make it so sleazy greedy lawyers cannot sue for ridiculous amounts over ridiculous or non existent issues.
In short why don't you and the other liberals do something to make our lives better instead of spending all of your conscious efforts on Bush bashing. On 2 occasions we selected him through a constitutional process because he was the BEST OF THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
If you think Hilary or Obama are the answer you truly are crazy.
A draft? sacrifice? Let me tell you from personal experience that most of the populace doesn't give a second thought to veterans in and returning from foreign wars. Yeah there is a lot of lip service but very few really care.
The liberals whining about the deaths of our guys over there really do not care. It just makes good liberal press. You get to publicly spout your liberal crap because of veterans. When the muslims take over the only spouting you will be doing is to allah 5 times a day.
Wake up, when the liberal agenda is fully implemented we will be a nation of sheep meekly wandering into oblivion and will join the ranks of past world powers that are now merely socialistic societies sinking closer and closer to oblivion.
Now why don't you stop posting this crap, this is an aviation website. There are plenty of internet website were you and your liberal buddies can cuddle each others testicles and feel warm and fuzzy abou your views.
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2006 Radial Rocket
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Sorry just had to post this one,,, then back to Commanders
From the Manitoba Herald (Canada -- a very underground paper):
The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols to stop the illegal immigration. The actions of President Bush are prompting the exodus among left-leaning citizens who fear they'll soon be required to hunt, pray, and agree with Bill O'Reilly.
Canadian border farmers say it's not uncommon to see dozens of sociology professors, animal-rights activists and Unitarians crossing their fields at night.
"I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood producer huddled in the barn," said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose acreage borders North Dakota . The producer was cold, exhausted and hungry. "He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range chicken." When I said I didn't have any, he left. Didn't even get a chance to show him my screenplay, eh?"
In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences, but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing speakers that blare Rush Limbaugh across the fields. "Not real effective," he said. "The liberals still got through, and Rush annoyed the cows so much they wouldn't give milk."
Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals near the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons, drive them across the border and leave them to fend for themselves. "A lot of these people are not prepared for rugged conditions," an Ontario border patrolman said. "I found one carload without a drop of drinking water. "They did have a nice little Napa Valley cabernet, though."
When liberals are caught, they're sent back across the border, often wailing loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumors have been circulating about the Bush administration establishing re-education camps in which liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer and watch NASCAR races.
In recent days, liberals have turned to ometimes-ingenious ways of crossing the border. Some have taken to posing as senior citizens on bus trips to buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen young vegans disguised in powdered wigs, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping buses and quizzing the supposed senior-citizen passengers on Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney hits to prove they were alive in the '50's.
"If they can't identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we get suspicious about their age," an official said.
Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating an organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the good Susan Sarandon movies. "I feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can't support them," an Ottawa resident said. "How many art-history majors does one country need?
The illegals are being deported back to the US in old Twin Commanders operated by the conservative wing of TCFG
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject: No Title |
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Milt,
I learned a lot from your post. Domestic beer is now pretty good, but I
never knew Nascar was a race. I'd rather watch a blender go round and round
and round and zzzzzz..........
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Har har har, funny.
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