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royjp(at)yahoo.ca
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

Art, take a look at the DVD from Homebuilthelp dot com about scratch building. The scene is made by David Barth (if I recall) about cutting with an Olpha knife using a strait edge.

   

  Hope this helps

   

  Jean-Paul Roy

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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

Thanks Jean-Paul I will do so.



Art

--- Jean-Paul Roy <royjp(at)yahoo.ca> wrote:



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		   Art, take a look at the DVD from Homebuilthelp dot com about scratch building. The scene is made

 by David Barth (if I recall) about cutting with an Olpha knife using a strait edge.

    

   Hope this helps

    

   Jean-Paul Roy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Jean-Paul Roy

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 Tél: (819)949-2216

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shilcom

Joined: 28 Sep 2007
Posts: 63

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

Is an OLPHA knife simply a "razor blade knife" or  some special kind razor blade knife or something else.  I use a shear for  mine but have used razor blade knifes for hose siding work.  Bob U.  

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carlossa52(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

Bob, it is the OLFA P-800. You can find it it most hardware stores.



Carlos



On 18/11/2007, Bob Unternaehrer < shilocom(at)mcmsys.com (shilocom(at)mcmsys.com)> wrote:[quote]       Is an OLPHA knife simply a "razor blade knife" or  some special kind razor blade knife or something else.  I use a shear for  mine but have used razor blade knifes for hose siding work.  Bob U.



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shilcom

Joined: 28 Sep 2007
Posts: 63

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

I know the number. just wondering what it  was.  Our country hardware store doesn't have one.

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planelists(at)optonline.n
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

I got mine on e-Bay IIRC for about 8  bucks>

 George Majewski

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Al Hays

Joined: 01 Oct 2007
Posts: 42
Location: Gore, VA

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

Bob,



I found it online at OLFABLADES.COM and got extra blades and another 

knife to get more bang for buck on the shipping cost.  It is listed as 

a heavy-duty plastic/laminate cutter with a current Sale Price of 

$8.48. Their minimum order has to be $15 and shipping would be about $8 

for that. Of course, today it would cost me that much in gas to drive 

to a store which might carry an OLFA knife.  Hope this helps.



Al



On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:10 PM, Bob Unternaehrer wrote:



[quote] I know the number. just wondering what it was.  Our country hardware 

 store doesn't have one.

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601zv(at)ritternet.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

Bob,

 I'd say your first guess ("razor blade knife") is  right.. It's a good quality utility type knife, excellent for scoring laminates  (and in our application, for aluminum), with blades that won't snap/break as  easily as those of the more common cheap utility knife.

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dbortol

Joined: 02 Sep 2006
Posts: 46

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

I bought mine at Home Depot.



Dino



On Nov 18, 2007 8:10 PM, Bob Unternaehrer <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com> wrote:

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 I know the number. just wondering what it was.  Our country hardware store

 doesn't have one.

DRAGONFUEL(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

I just bought mine on eBay for $9.xx plus shipping for a total of $11.xx,  seem to me more where that one coame from.

  

 Cheers,

  

 Bob Archibald

 Dragonfly Aviation

 CH-601xl, Lyc 125hp, Dynons

Kevin Bonds

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 171
Location: Nashville, Tn

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

The Olpha knife has a sort of hooked blade. It is actually meant for scoring plexiglass. You can actually find this sort of thing at Home Depot or anywhere they sell plexiglass.   

     

Kevin Bonds  

Nashville TN  

601XL Plans building.  

http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds  

     

   

    

   

  

        

  

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Is an OLPHA knife simply a "razor blade knife" or some special kind razor blade knife or something else.  I use a shear for mine but have used razor blade knifes for hose siding work.  Bob U.   

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paulrod36(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->                    $8.48?   Wow. Ace Hardware carries them at a whole lot less. Look in  the aisle with the utility knives.

  

 Paul Rodriguez

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ch701builder

Joined: 07 Feb 2006
Posts: 119
Location: N38.9947,W105.1305,ALT. 9,100'

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

Here is a picture of the type of "Scoring" blade I use. You can get it at Home Depot, but... in the carpet department, is where I found it. The picture is of the Bottom Skin CH701, 0.016". I like to score at least 1/2 x thickness of material. Example for the  0.016" I would score it at least 8 times, maybe 9 times. At least try to score about halfway through. You will find that you remove about 1-2 mills of material every pass of the blade. It should curl up and almost look like a little ball-point spring. (At  least mine do)

 

 http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/viewPhoto?uname=ch701builder&aid=5125349983326967585&iid=5125354050660998706

 

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 CH701 - scratch - working on rear fuselage

 

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The Olpha knife has a sort of hooked blade. It is actually meant for scoring plexiglass. You can actually find this sort of thing at  Home Depot or anywhere they sell plexiglass.  

   

Kevin Bonds 

Nashville TN 

601XL  Plans building. 

http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds 

   

  

  

  

 

    

 

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Is an OLPHA knife simply a "razor blade knife" or some special kind razor blade knife or something else.  I use a shear for mine but have used razor blade knifes  for hose siding work.  Bob U.  

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Al Hays

Joined: 01 Oct 2007
Posts: 42
Location: Gore, VA

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

Paul,



No Olfa brand knives are carried in the True Value or Ace Hardware  

stores in my area.  Didn't see them in Lowe's or Home Depot either last  

time I trekked to town.  They all carry various types of utility knives  

which might work, and some are only around $2.50 but most of any  

quality are more than 6 or 8 bucks.  I'm surprised that an Ace Hardware  

would be able to sell an Olfa P-800 for a whole lot less but its good  

that you and others in your area can take advantage of that.

Al



On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:59 PM, <paulrod36(at)msn.com> wrote:



[quote]                  $8.48?   Wow. Ace Hardware carries them at a whole  

 lot less. Look in the aisle with the utility knives.

  

 Paul Rodriguez

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

A Stanley utility knife works very well also. Just score the metal along

a straight line and snap it off over a sharp corner.



Bob Unternaehrer wrote:

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		   I know the number. just wondering what it was.  Our country hardware 

 store doesn't have one.

 


	


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bill_dom(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

Check in art/craft supply stores. None of my local hardware stores carry the Olfa P-800 but most of the craft stores do.



William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami Florida



Al Hays <alhays(at)hickoryhillfarmsheep.com> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith-List message posted by: Al Hays 



Paul,



No Olfa brand knives are carried in the True Value or Ace Hardware  

stores in my area.  Didn't see them in Lowe's or Home Depot either last  

time I trekked to town.  They all carry various types of utility knives  

which might work, and some are only around $2.50 but most of any  

quality are more than 6 or 8 bucks.  I'm surprised that an Ace Hardware  

would be able to sell an Olfa P-800 for a whole lot less but its good  

that you and others in your area can take advantage of  that.

Al



On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:59 PM,  wrote:



[quote]                  $8.48?   Wow. Ace Hardware carries them at a whole  

 lot less. Look in the aisle with the utility knives.

  

 Paul Rodriguez

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smoore

Joined: 18 Sep 2007
Posts: 10
Location: Lakewood, CO

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

The olfa knife linked and the Home Despot brand shown are known as

"laminate knives" to me.  They are used for formica brand and similar

counter tops.

Odd that it would be in the carpet section as a carpet installer has

absolutely no use for it.  Silly Home Despot.  Moral: Just because

it's not where it should be doesn't mean they don't sell it.  I find

carpet/resilient trowels in the ceramic tile section all the time.

On Nov 19, 2007 7:41 PM, William Dominguez <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote] Check in art/craft supply stores. None of my local hardware stores carry the

 Olfa P-800 but most of the craft stores do.

 William Dominguez

 Zodiac 601XL Plans

 Miami Florida

 Al Hays <alhays(at)hickoryhillfarmsheep.com> wrote:

 Paul,

 No Olfa brand knives are carried in the True Value or Ace Hardware

 stores in my area. Didn't see them in Lowe's or Home Depot either last

 time I trekked to town. They all carry various types of utility knives

 which might work, and some are only around $2.50 but most of any

 quality are more than 6 or 8 bucks. I'm surprised that an Ace Hardware

 would be able to sell an Olfa P-800 for a whole lot less but its good

 that you and others in your area can take advantage of that.

 Al

 On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:59 PM, wrote:

 >                  $8.48?   Wow. Ace Hardware carries them at a whole

 > lot less. Look in the aisle with the utility knives.

 >

 > Paul Rodriguez

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Terry Phillips

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 346
Location: Corvallis, MT

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

I've hung back w/o adding yet another source, but, I guess I'll go ahead. I 

bought mine from



http://rjrcooltools.com/



It was $8 with no shipping charges; prompt and courteous service. RJR 

appears to be a small business that supplies high quality tools for 

modelers. The owner was surprised that I was going to use it to cut 

aluminum, but he has since added that to his product description.



I have no connection with RJR, other than as a satisfied customer.



Terry

At 06:41 PM 11/19/2007 -0800, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Check in art/craft supply stores. None of my local hardware stores carry 

the Olfa P-800 but most of the craft stores do.



William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami Florida


	




Terry Phillips

ttp44~at~rkymtn.net

Corvallis MT

601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab

http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/

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DaveG601XL

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 351
Location: Cincinnati, Oh

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: Re: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

I second Bryan's remark.  After looking for an Olfa 800 for a while with no luck, I realized that I got satisfactory results from just a plain old utility knife.  I have found that I cut way more aluminum with a knife that with shears.  Before starting this project, I would not have thought that was possible.



Good luck,

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Cincinnati, OH area

paulrod36(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: RE : RE: Scratchbuilding Tools

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Actually, it's just the blade; fits in a regular utility knife handle.  While nice to have, it isn't really necessary. When I needed to repalce a  trashed leading edge skin for the XL, a guy at Airparts in  KC KS showed me  the cutting technique using just a regular utility knife. Held it upside down in  a hammer grip, scored about 10 times along a straight edge, and bent it on the  edge of the table. It broke clean as a whistle, and I was on my way in less than  ten minutes. Whenever my Olfa blade isn't immediately to hand, I use a regular  utility knife almost as easily..    P.S. A guy who spent mucho  years making big aluminum signs turned me on to a neat way to make large  cuts.  His was a production business, so they needed to work fast. He said  to get a 4 x 8 sheet of styrofoam, 4 or more inches thick, lay the sheet on it,  and use a saber saw to cut. Apparently there is such a thing as "blade Wax",  which you can get at Lowe's or Home Depot to use as lube. It may be necessary to  grind off an inch or so from the blade.  He said you never go all the way  through the foam, so can use it over and over.  I haven't tried it yet, but  it makes sense, and next time I need to make larger cuts I'll give it a try. (I  consider the day wasted if I don't learn something, and catch hell from  somebody).

  

 Paul Rodriguez

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