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eldenej(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: ground school

As with at least some of you, I have not flown for a good many years. But LSA now offers an unexpected and very welcome opportunity to change that. I do not expect difficulty with the piloting of the aircraft itself, but it is obvious that the larger picture has changed almost beyond recognition, what with radios, controlled airspace, towers, etc.; in brief, the stuff of "ground school."

   

  I would be very interested in what those of you out there have found to be the most helpful materials--written, dvd's, etc.--in becoming current again.

   

  Thanks,

  Elden

  xl/3300



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Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: ground school

Hello:

  

 As new comer to the list, I would suggest that you  find a older flight instructor.

  

 Chet

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psm(at)ATT.NET
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: ground school

Hi Eldon,



I agree with you that there have been lots of changes, but it is 

still the same air out there.



I found the Airman's Information Manual to be very helpful.  You can 

get the whole thing online for free from the FAA web site along with 

many other very useful documents for builders and pilots of all 

types.  There is also an FAA Safety web site that can be very helpful 

and will also tell you about safety meetings in your area if you give 

them your email address.



If you read up on the new names for the same old airspace and get a 

Flight Review with an instructor that should get you well along the 

way to being up to date.  All that remains after that is to polish up 

your personal pilot skills to an adequate level.



Good luck,



Paul

XL fuselage

(Mostly inactive pilot for the last 15 or 20 years)

At 12:07 PM 11/25/2007, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  As with at least some of you, I have not flown for a good many 

years. But LSA now offers an unexpected and very welcome opportunity 

to change that. I do not expect difficulty with the piloting of the 

aircraft itself, but it is obvious that the larger picture has 

changed almost beyond recognition, what with radios, controlled 

airspace, towers, etc.; in brief, the stuff of "ground school."



I would be very interested in what those of you out there have found 

to be the most helpful materials--written, dvd's, etc.--in becoming 

current again.



Thanks,

Elden

xl/3300

Terry Phillips

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 346
Location: Corvallis, MT

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: ground school

I recently completed my pilot training. The single best thing I used was 

Rod Machado's Private Pilot Handbook. The content was (IMHO) outstanding. 

But the most important thing was the presentation. Machado's writing and 

illustrations are easy (and fun) to read and very easy to understand.



One of my instructors required the Jeppesen Private Pilot Manual. I bought 

it, but found it harder to read. I'd be happy to give you a good price on a 

(very slightly) used copy. I'd never give away my Machado Handbook, 

however. If I need to refresh on something, that's where I go.



Good luck, and welcome back to flying.



Terry

At 12:07 PM 11/25/2007 -0800, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  As with at least some of you, I have not flown for a good many years. But 

LSA now offers an unexpected and very welcome opportunity to change that. 

I do not expect difficulty with the piloting of the aircraft itself, but 

it is obvious that the larger picture has changed almost beyond 

recognition, what with radios, controlled airspace, towers, etc.; in 

brief, the stuff of "ground school."



I would be very interested in what those of you out there have found to be 

the most helpful materials--written, dvd's, etc.--in becoming current again.



Thanks,

Elden

xl/3300


	




Terry Phillips

ttp44~at~rkymtn.net

Corvallis MT

601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab

http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/

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ttp44<at>rkymtn.net
Zenith 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail feathers done; working on the wings.

pmaxpmax(at)HOTMAIL.COM
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: ground school

Elden,

 

Welcome back to flying.  I'm glad that the Sport Pilot Rating is bringing people like you back to the skies.

 

I'm a relational person.  For me, flying is about the people and relationships that flying can build.  I know your question was about materials, but for me it is rarely about the books or DVDs.  My suggestion is to find a flight instructor who is also a good teacher.  He/she will be instrumental in pointing you to the right things and keeping you motivated.  For me that person is Damien DelGaizo, President of Andover Flight Academy in Andover, NJ.  I completed a tail wheel check-out with him and did some bush flying.  Great stuff to build confidence.  You can find him at bushflying.com, if you are near New Jersey.

 

Now to answer your question: AOPA's Air Saftey Foundation has some great seminars that are free and come close to my area several times a year. They also have several videos online. http://www.aopa.org/asf/seminars/index.cfmPhil Maxson

601XL/Corvair

Northwest New Jersey

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:07:52 -0800From: eldenej(at)yahoo.comSubject: Zenith-List: ground schoolTo: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

As with at least some of you, I have not flown for a good many years. But LSA now offers an unexpected and very welcome opportunity to change that. I do not expect difficulty with the piloting of the aircraft itself, but it is obvious that the larger picture has changed almost beyond recognition, what with radios, controlled airspace, towers, etc.; in brief, the stuff of "ground school."

 

I would be very interested in what those of you out there have found to be the most helpful materials--written, dvd's, etc.--in becoming current again

MaxNr(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: ground school

The good news is that you have to pass a BFR before you get back in the saddle. It requires an hour of ground instruction. The instructor will be big on airspace these days because its renamed with letters. Weather terms are changed too. TFR's are big since 9/11. More good news: There are a lot of books and DVD's out there now. Check Sporties Pilot Shop for a start. A current AIM/FAR is the bare minimum. Aerodynamics, piloting skills and judgment remain the same. Good luck. 

 

 Bob

 XL  Do not archive

 

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agustafson(at)chartermi.n
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: ground school

I took the King Sport Pilot written test course. I  think it is just what you are looking for. It is sport pilot specific and covers  all of the areas very well. You can do it as you have time, no need to make  appointments with an instructor.

  

 Aaron G.  do not  archive

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Tim Juhl

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Posts: 488
Location: "Thumb" of Michigan

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: Re: ground school

Eldon,  I've been a CFII for 22 of my 32 years of flying, and retired in 2005 after 34 years of teaching high school science.  I only mention this to qualify my remarks.



You are right to want a refresher and I commend you for it.  When I learned to fly the VOR was considered high tech and airspace was much different.  In your review I would put the greatest emphasis on learning about the changes that have taken place that are most likely to bite the unaware.  If you don't already, subscribe to some aviation magazines so that you can keep up on current trends and events.



Everyone has a learning style and what works for one will not work for all.  Some can just read a book, others need to see images and hear things explained while others only learn when they do it themselves.  Other posters have recommended a number of things that have worked for them and you can pick from them or any number of other products that are on the market.  



The suggestion of getting together with an instructor or people who are flying actively is a good one.... perhaps there is a flying club or EAA chapter near you.



Finally, your comment "I do not expect difficulty with the piloting of the aircraft itself" has me a little concerned.  The accident reports are full of people whose lack of recent flight experience is listed as a major factor in an aircraft accident.... especially when it comes to flight testing a homebuilt.  I'm current and have thousands of hours but I am going to be very cautious and careful when it comes to test flying my XL.  My recommendation to you would be to combine your book work with some flight training so that you are truly prepared to take to the skies again.



Tim

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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Almost done! It'll fly in spring!

eldenej(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: ground school

Thank you, Tim, for your thoughtful response (indeed, I much appreciate all of the comments made in response to my questions). When you quote back to me my comment about lack of concern regarding operating the aircraft itself, I realize it sounds a bit cavalier. I meant only to suggest that I was surprised and delighted, during my hour aloft with Michael Heintz, to discover how natural it all still felt. It is my intention to become flight-proficient again (Dragonfly Aviation in Santa Rosa has an xl used for instructional purposes) before going anywhere near the xl I am building. I stopped flying in my mid-twenties, at the insistence of my then-wife, after my parents flew their 170 into a mountain; now, fifty years later, "very cautious" will be my watch-word, too.

   

  Again, my thanks,

   

  Elden



Tim Juhl <juhl(at)avci.net> wrote:

  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" 



Eldon, I've been a CFII for 22 of my 32 years of flying, and retired in 2005 after 34 years of teaching high school science. I only mention this to qualify my remarks.



You are right to want a refresher and I commend you for it. When I learned to fly the VOR was considered high tech and airspace was much different. In your review I would put the greatest emphasis on learning about the changes that have taken place that are most likely to bite the unaware. If you don't already, subscribe to some aviation magazines so that you can keep up on current trends and events.



Everyone has a learning style and what works for one will not work for all. Some can just read a book, others need to see images and hear things explained while others only learn when they do it themselves. Other posters have recommended a number of  things that have worked for them and you can pick from them or any number of other products that are on the market. 



The suggestion of getting together with an instructor or people who are flying actively is a good one.... perhaps there is a flying club or EAA chapter near you.



Finally, your comment "I do not expect difficulty with the piloting of the aircraft itself" has me a little concerned. The accident reports are full of people whose lack of recent flight experience is listed as a major factor in an aircraft accident.... especially when it comes to flight testing a homebuilt. I'm current and have thousands of hours but I am going to be very cautious and careful when it comes to test flying my XL. My recommendation to you would be to combine your book work with some flight training so that you are truly prepared to take to the skies again.



Tim



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Tim Juhl

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Posts: 488
Location: "Thumb" of Michigan

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: ground school

Eldon,

Sounds like you've got a plan.  My first student was a guy in his 70's who also had a 50 year gap in his aviation career.  His stemmed from getting lost on his first cross-country and nearly running out of gas in the mountains.  He was determined to finally overcome his fear and went on to get his license and do a lot of flying.  I'm glad you will soon be able to get back in the air.



Tim

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