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william(at)gbta.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: Dual battery

I'm ready to build my battery box and  need to modify it to fit dual battery's.  Only problem is that I don't know  which battery to use.  Any suggestions???  How does one decide on  which battery is the "right" battery, and where can I find measurements for  these batteries so I know how big to make the tray.

  

 Thanks,

 Bill

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rv(at)thelefflers.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:34 am Post subject: Dual battery

Bill,  

   

I¡¯m about ready to do the same.  

   

Most people I believe are using the Odyssey 680.  

   

Pictures of Dan Lloyd¡¯s solution can be found at:  

   

http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/DansBatteryBox/index.html  

   

Bob Condrey¡¯s can be found at:  

   

http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/DualBatteries/Bob_Condreys_Batteries.jpg  

   

Bob¡¯s solution appears to be the easiest to construct.  

   

Specs are:  

   

PC 680 Specs:   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Motorcycle / Powersports / Marine / Medium Duty   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Ahr (amp hours) (at)20 hr. rate 17 Ahr   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Pulse Discharge (HCA)   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>5 sec. 680 A   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>10 sec. 595 A   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>20 sec. 525 A   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>HCA (at) 80¨¬F (27¨¬C) 370 A   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>CA (at) 32¨¬F (0¨¬C) 300 A   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>CCA 220 A   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Reserve Capacity (at) 25 A 25 min.   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Cycle Life (Deep cycle capability) 400 (at) 100% DOD (depth of discharge)   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>500 (at) 80% DOD   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Temperature Range -40¨¬F (-40¨¬C) to 176¨¬F (80¨¬C)   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Resistance at 1 kHz (at) 77¨¬F 7m ¥Ø   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Short circuit current 1800 A   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Terminals Female threaded for M6 stainless bolt   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Max. installation torque 50 in-lb.   

DIMENSIONS  

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Length 7 ¨ù in. 7.27 in. 184.7 mm   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Width 3 1/16 in. 3.11 in. 79.0 mm   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Height* 6 5/8 in. 6.67 in. 169.4 mm   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Weight 15.4 lb. 7.0 kg   

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>*Height is measure to top of terminal  

Other Features  

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>2 year replacement warranty in powersports, motorcycle and specialty applications  

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Available with protective metal jacket (PC 680 MJ)  

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Available with non-corrosive, brass automotive terminal or 5/16¡± stainless steel stud  

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Can be mounted in any orientation (not recommended for inverted use)  

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>12 year design life with 6 to 10 year service life  

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>Fully charged out of box  

<![if !supportLists]>¡¤         <![endif]>2 year shelf life (at) 77¨¬F (25¨¬C)  

   

   

Bob  

#40684  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill & Tami Britton

 Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:12 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Dual battery  

  

  

     

I'm ready to build my battery box and need to modify it to fit dual battery's.  Only problem is that I don't know which battery to use.  Any suggestions???  How does one decide on which battery is the "right" battery, and where can I find measurements for these batteries so I know how big to make the tray.  

    

   

    

Thanks,  

    

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rnewman(at)tcwtech.com
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: Dual battery

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   Regarding the batteries.     They are both Panasonic LCR  SLA type batteries.  The main  battery is a 28 Amp-hour.  The auxilary battery is a 17 amp-hour type.  (although a 20 amp-hour is now available in the exact same  size).       I've used the 28 amp-hour battery in  our Glastar for 3 years now and it has worked very well.    When  I did my search for batteries I was looking for something equivalent to the  Concord battery that's been designed to mount in the RV-10 battery  tray  (Coincidently this is the same size battery mount used in  the Glastar).   I found that the Panasonic battery is dimmesionally  similar to the Concord battery (about 3/4" shorter in lenght, other dimesions  the same) and about 75%or less of the cost.   Also the Panasonic  batteries were available from many distributors. (including  Digi-key)   Recently I found the 28 amp hour battery for sale in  PartsExpress for $74.50  (www.parts-express.com) although I have  not tried to order it from them.

  

  

 Panasonic 28 amp-hour  (6.50x 4.92x  7.07")  model#  LC-x1228P             Digi-key part # P049-ND    $95

 Panasonic 17 amp-hour  ( 7.12x2.99x6.58"  )  model # LC-RD1217P        Digi-key part  #P174-ND     $60

  Panasonic 20 amp-hour   ( 7.12x2.99x6.58" )  model #  LC-x1220P            Digi-key  part #P231-ND     $75

  

  

 Regrads,

 Bob Newman

 www.tcwtech.com

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: Dual battery

Bob,

Do you have some more close-ups of how you mounted the ends of your table/shelf to the stiffeners and the battery tray?  I really like the look of that installation, probably replacing the ELT with the Strobe PS for my needs.



do not archive



 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



 



On Nov 30, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Bob-tcw wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    Here's by dual battery installation.    I've built a pair of equipment shelves that attach to the Van's standard battery/ bellcrank center plate. 

  Regarding the batteries.    They are both Panasonic LCR  SLA type batteries.  The main battery is a 28 Amp-hour.  The auxilary battery is a 17 amp-hour type. (although a 20 amp-hour is now available in the exact same size).       I've used the 28 amp-hour battery in our Glastar for 3 years now and it has worked very well.    When I did my search for batteries I was looking for something equivalent to the Concord battery that's been designed to mount in the RV-10 battery tray  (Coincidently this is the same size battery mount used in the Glastar).   I found that the Panasonic battery is dimmesionally similar to the Concord battery (about 3/4" shorter in lenght, other dimesions the same) and about 75%or less of the cost.   Also the Panasonic batteries were available from many distributors. (including Digi-key)   Recently I found the 28 amp hour battery for sale in PartsExpress for $74.50  (www.parts-express.com) although I have not tried to order it from them.

 

 

Panasonic 28 amp-hour  (6.50x 4.92x 7.07")  model# LC-x1228P            Digi-key part # P049-ND    $95

Panasonic 17 amp-hour  ( 7.12x2.99x6.58" )  model # LC-RD1217P        Digi-key part #P174-ND     $60

Panasonic 20 amp-hour  ( 7.12x2.99x6.58" )  model # LC-x1220P            Digi-key part #P231-ND     $75

 

 

Regrads,

Bob Newman

www.tcwtech.com

 

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: Dual battery

Bill, I used dual PC 680's



here's a link to some photos :

http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2039%20Control%20System/slides/DSC02860.html

click forward through a series of 6-7 photos.



Deems Davis # 406

'punch' list is down to 2 pages (from 3 1/2)

http://deemsrv10.com/

Bill & Tami Britton wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I'm ready to build my battery box and need to modify it to fit dual 

 battery's.  Only problem is that I don't know which battery to use.  

 Any suggestions???  How does one decide on which battery is the 

 "right" battery, and where can I find measurements for these batteries 

 so I know how big to make the tray.

  

 Thanks,

 Bill

 *



 *

rnewman(at)lutron.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: Dual battery

Jesse,  

   I have more photo's of the tray design and mounting.   This weekend

I was planning on editing those pictures along with the pictures of side

step bushings I designed and put them up on my web site.    I forgot to

put my strobe power supply on the tray,  but it's suppose to be on

there.   I'll add that and put it up with all the pictures.    I will

get to it Saturday and post a link on Sunday.    I've been planning a

RV-10 section of my web site for the purpose of showing modifications to

my -10.



Best regards,

Bob Newman

www.tcwtech.com

william(at)gbta.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: Dual battery

Thanks for the information and pictures on the Battery/trays.  Bob, I really 

like the looks of that accessories tray that you built.  If you get some 

pictures of it please let me know.  This would be a good time to work 

something like that into my build.  As for the battery tray dimensions, I 

think I'll probably go with PC680s.  The length is 7.27" and the width is 

3.11".  Do I need to buy the batteries and build the box to exact dimensions 

of the 2 batteries or is it acceptable to just build the tray maybe 1/4" 

larger on each side so that I know the batteries will fit later on when I 

get them.



Thanks again for all the input,

Bill Britton

---

planesmith(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: Dual battery

Has anyone come up with a way to mount a 7ah battery up under the insturment panel or on the backside of the firewall? One of the smaller gel cells used in alarm systems seems like a nice backup battery for the EFIS system.

  

 Vern Smith (#324 doors & cabin top) 





   

 > From: william(at)gbta.net

[quote] To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Dual battery

 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:24:58 -0600

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>

 

 Thanks for the information and pictures on the Battery/trays. Bob, I really 

 like the looks of that accessories tray that you built. If you get some 

 pictures of it please let me know. This would be a good time to work 

 something like that into my build. As for the battery tray dimensions, I 

 think I'll probably go with PC680s. The length is 7.27" and the width is 

 3.11". Do I need to buy the batteries and build the box to exact dimensions 

 of the 2 batteries or is it acceptable to just build the tray maybe 1/4" 

 larger on each side so that I know the batteries will fit later on when I 

 get them.

 

 Thanks again for all the input,

 Bill Britton

 

 

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n212pj(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: Dual battery

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 John Jessen

   40328



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Bob-tcw

Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 4:32 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Dual  battery

 

   Here's by dual battery  installation.    I've built a pair of equipment shelves that  attach to the Van's standard battery/ bellcrank center plate. 

   Regarding the batteries.     They are both Panasonic LCR  SLA type batteries.  The main  battery is a 28 Amp-hour.  The auxilary battery is a 17 amp-hour type.  (although a 20 amp-hour is now available in the exact same  size).       I've used the 28 amp-hour battery in  our Glastar for 3 years now and it has worked very well.    When  I did my search for batteries I was looking for something equivalent to the  Concord battery that's been designed to mount in the RV-10 battery  tray  (Coincidently this is the same size battery mount used in  the Glastar).   I found that the Panasonic battery is dimmesionally  similar to the Concord battery (about 3/4" shorter in lenght, other dimesions  the same) and about 75%or less of the cost.   Also the Panasonic  batteries were available from many distributors. (including  Digi-key)   Recently I found the 28 amp hour battery for sale in  PartsExpress for $74.50  (www.parts-express.com) although I have  not tried to order it from them.

  

  

 Panasonic 28 amp-hour  (6.50x 4.92x  7.07")  model#  LC-x1228P             Digi-key part # P049-ND    $95

 Panasonic 17 amp-hour  ( 7.12x2.99x6.58"  )  model # LC-RD1217P        Digi-key part  #P174-ND     $60

  Panasonic 20 amp-hour   ( 7.12x2.99x6.58" )  model #  LC-x1220P            Digi-key  part #P231-ND     $75

  

  

 Regrads,

 Bob Newman

 www.tcwtech.com

  



   [quote][b]

rnewman(at)lutron.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: Dual battery

Bill,   I'll be editing the pictures I have and putting them up on my

web site this weekend.   I'll post the link when it's ready.



_Bob Newman

www.tcwtech.com 

 	  Quote: 	
		  >> william(at)gbta.net 11/30/2007 9:24 AM >>>

	


<william(at)gbta.net>



Thanks for the information and pictures on the Battery/trays.  Bob, I

really 

like the looks of that accessories tray that you built.  If you get

some 

pictures of it please let me know.  This would be a good time to work 

something like that into my build.  As for the battery tray dimensions,

I 

think I'll probably go with PC680s.  The length is 7.27" and the width

is 

3.11".  Do I need to buy the batteries and build the box to exact

dimensions 

of the 2 batteries or is it acceptable to just build the tray maybe

1/4" 

larger on each side so that I know the batteries will fit later on when

I 

get them.



Thanks again for all the input,

Bill Britton

---

Bill Schlatterer

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 195

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: Dual battery

Vern, this is in my 7 but the same concept probably  works in the 10.  Battery is suspended directly under the AHRS.  The  bus right beside it is the Aux Bat which feeds separate switches for the EFIS  which allows it to be powered on before/while starting or in an emergency but  disconnected from the main bus.  The Aux Bat also charges from the  main bus during normal operations through a D25 diode.   As I remember  it, the battery is a Panasonic P212 (7ah) recommended on the AE  list.

  

 Hope this helps. 

  

 Bill S

 7a finishing



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon  Smith

Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:43 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Dual  battery

 

Has anyone come up with a way to mount a 7ah battery up under  the insturment panel or on the backside of the firewall? One of the smaller gel  cells used in alarm systems seems like a nice backup battery for the EFIS  system.

 

Vern Smith (#324 doors & cabin  top) 





  

[quote] From: william(at)gbta.net

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

  Subject: Re: Dual battery

 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:24:58  -0600

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill & Tami  Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>

 

 Thanks for the information  and pictures on the Battery/trays. Bob, I really 

 like the looks of that  accessories tray that you built. If you get some 

 pictures of it please  let me know. This would be a good time to work 

 something like that into  my build. As for the battery tray dimensions, I 

 think I'll probably go  with PC680s. The length is 7.27" and the width is 

 3.11". Do I need to  buy the batteries and build the box to exact dimensions 

 of the 2  batteries or is it acceptable to just build the tray maybe 1/4" 

 larger  on each side so that I know the batteries will fit later on when I 

 get  them.

 

 Thanks again for all the input,

 Bill  Britton

 

 

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Bill Schlatterer

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 195

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: Dual battery

Forgot this one.  It shows the rear and front hold down  brackets.  On the front, it is just a little plate that is bolted in to  hold it in place.  Flush rivet on the inside.

  

 Bill S

 7a 



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon  Smith

Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:43 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Dual  battery

 

Has anyone come up with a way to mount a 7ah battery up under  the insturment panel or on the backside of the firewall? One of the smaller gel  cells used in alarm systems seems like a nice backup battery for the EFIS  system.

 

Vern Smith (#324 doors & cabin  top) 





  

[quote] From: william(at)gbta.net

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

  Subject: Re: Dual battery

 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:24:58  -0600

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill & Tami  Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>

 

 Thanks for the information  and pictures on the Battery/trays. Bob, I really 

 like the looks of that  accessories tray that you built. If you get some 

 pictures of it please  let me know. This would be a good time to work 

 something like that into  my build. As for the battery tray dimensions, I 

 think I'll probably go  with PC680s. The length is 7.27" and the width is 

 3.11". Do I need to  buy the batteries and build the box to exact dimensions 

 of the 2  batteries or is it acceptable to just build the tray maybe 1/4" 

 larger  on each side so that I know the batteries will fit later on when I 

 get  them.

 

 Thanks again for all the input,

 Bill  Britton

 

 

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planesmith(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: Dual battery

Bill,

  

 This is exactly what I was looking for or something close to it. Originally,  I was planning on two equal sized batteries behind the luggage area, but just didn't need that kind of capacity or weight in an Aux battery. Plus I like the idea of the shorter power leads with it mounted near the panel.

  

 Thanks,

  

 Vern 

 do not archive

 [quote]  From: billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Dual battery

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:14:10 -0600



   .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass EC_BODY.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}   Vern, this is in my 7 but the same concept probably works in the 10.  Battery is suspended directly under the AHRS.  The bus right beside it is the Aux Bat which feeds separate switches for the EFIS which allows it to be powered on before/while starting or in an emergency but disconnected from the main bus.  The Aux Bat also charges from the main bus during normal operations through a D25 diode.   As I remember it, the battery is a Panasonic P212 (7ah) recommended on the AE list.

  

 Hope this helps. 

  

 Bill S

 7a finishing



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith

Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:43 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Dual battery

 

Has anyone come up with a way to mount a 7ah battery up under the insturment panel or on the backside of the firewall? One of the smaller gel cells used in alarm systems seems like a nice backup battery for the EFIS system.

 

Vern Smith (#324 doors & cabin top) 





  

[quote] From: william(at)gbta.net

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Dual battery

 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:24:58 -0600

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>

 

 Thanks for the information and pictures on the Battery/trays. Bob, I really 

 like the looks of that accessories tray that you built. If you get some 

 pictures of it please let me know. This would be a good time to work 

 something like that into my build. As for the battery tray dimensions, I 

 think I'll probably go with PC680s. The length is 7.27" and the width is 

 3.11". Do I need to buy the batteries and build the box to exact dimensions 

 of the 2 batteries or is it acceptable to just build the tray maybe 1/4" 

 larger on each side so that I know the batteries will fit later on when I 

 get them.

 

 Thanks again for all the input,

 Bill Britton

 

 

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: Dual battery

Bill, here is my solution for twin Odessey 680s, split buss and dual alternator (Z14).

 [url=http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project 24&category 155&log=43554&row=8]http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project 24&category 155&log=43554&row=8[/url]

 

 Thanks to everyone who has documented and posted their installations.  I just built my solution on top of everyone who had done one before.  This site and community is the best!

 

 Bill "back to building after completing the Dishwasher install from hell - wondering if anyone has homebuilt an aircraft with a head" Watson

 #40605

 Durham NC

 

 

 

 Bill & Tami Britton wrote: [quote]            I'm ready to build my battery box and need to modify it to fit dual battery's.  Only problem is that I don't know which battery to use.  Any suggestions???  How does one decide on which battery is the "right" battery, and where can I find measurements for these batteries so I know how big to make the tray.

    

   Thanks,

   Bill

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