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hagargs(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject: 914 drivers only please...



Fergus:

It has been awhile since I bolted up the 914 but as I recollect I needed to

go to Spruce and order longer bolts and some spacers. Other than that the

mess more of less went together as the installation manual noted. I may

have needed to make a special wrench to hold the bolt head of the odd bolt

while tightening.

Steve Hagar

A143

Mesa, AZ

Steve Hagar

hagargs(at)earthlink.net

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		   [Original Message]

From: Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca>

To: EUROPALIST <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

Date: 12/31/2005 3:47:13 PM

Subject: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please...

Now, lookit, a quick review:

Going forward, the Europa folk call the first 'frame' the

"landing gear frame"(1) - and then call the next bolt-on the "Engine 	


mounting frame"(2) and the final one the "Rotax Ring Mount"(3).

 	  Quote: 	
		   As a neophyte builder, I imagined these accurate structures

would slide together as smooth as silk. Wrong. I haven't even tried to 	


attach the rotax to the intermediate frame(2) yet, because I am busy trying

to wrestle the firewall together and must have the intermediate(2) on and

off the gear frame(1) for fitting purposes.

 	  Quote: 	
		   While doing the latter, I am using substitute bolts to save

wear and tear on the proper ones. However, when it comes to assembling this 	


jigsaw together, I note the bottom bolts face forward, the top ones aft.

How in Heaven can one install the bottom ones from behind the firewall,

attempt to compress the 'Lord mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in

front - while holding the the whole shebang together without dropping odd

bits onto the floor in the process?

 	  Quote: 	
		   By what devious means (and doubtless questionable magic

incantations) can one accomplish all this? Have some of you people cheated 	


and paid others - or have you some creative ways to compress these (at)#$%?

pieces while singlehandedly screwing on a castellated nut far enough to pin

it for keeps? - Yes I am using specified A5-40 (43/32") bolts and they

don't even begin to show through at the other end. The Lord mounts seem to

bloat the minute you take your eyes off them, and if you don't use all ten

fingers to hold the assemblies together, several various cups go

tingly-dingling under the mainwheel area for about twenty feet.

 	  Quote: 	
		   I am getting drunk just having a small sip after every failed

attempt so as to forestall any nervous anxiety attack - and getting farther 	


from success with every try.

 	  Quote: 	
		   Jenny says she can't stand the bl***dy wimpering and is considering

moving to the Pacific coast in spite of the earth's crust being vexed. This 	


state of affairs is becoming crucial and there's not much time left.

 	  Quote: 	
		   It's time to stop cackling behind your cuffs and come to my

assistance. There's a whole series of perplexing tasks even after this 	


phase is conquered so don't hesitate another minute.

 	  Quote: 	
		   Oh, and best of 2006 to you......

Ferg

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kevann(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject: 914 drivers only please...



Hi Ferg,

In Europa Aircraft News no. 28 page 13 there is a tech note, have you

got that paper?

I had to use AN5-41 bolts as my kit came with 46mm spacers.

Kevin

Fergus Kyle wrote:

Now, lookit, a quick review:

Going forward, the Europa folk call the first 'frame' the "landing gear frame"(1) - and then call the next bolt-on the "Engine mounting frame"(2) and the final one the "Rotax Ring Mount"(3).

As a neophyte builder, I imagined these accurate structures would slide together as smooth as silk. Wrong. I haven't even tried to attach the rotax to the intermediate frame(2) yet, because I am busy trying to wrestle the firewall together and must have the intermediate(2) on and off the gear frame(1) for fitting purposes.

While doing the latter, I am using substitute bolts to save wear and tear on the proper ones. However, when it comes to assembling this jigsaw together, I note the bottom bolts face forward, the top ones aft. How in Heaven can one install the bottom ones from behind the firewall, attempt to compress the 'Lord mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front - while holding the the whole shebang together without dropping odd bits onto the floor in the process?

By what devious means (and doubtless questionable magic incantations) can one accomplish all this? Have some of you people cheated and paid others - or have you some creative ways to compress these (at)#$%? pieces while singlehandedly screwing on a castellated nut far enough to pin it for keeps? - Yes I am using specified A5-40 (43/32") bolts and they don't even begin to show through at the other end. The Lord mounts seem to bloat the minute you take your eyes off them, and if you don't use all ten fingers to hold the assemblies together, several various cups go tingly-dingling under the mainwheel area for about twenty feet.

I am getting drunk just having a small sip after every failed attempt so as to forestall any nervous anxiety attack - and getting farther from success with every try.

Jenny says she can't stand the bl***dy wimpering and is considering moving to the Pacific coast in spite of the earth's crust being vexed. This state of affairs is becoming crucial and there's not much time left.

It's time to stop cackling behind your cuffs and come to my assistance. There's a whole series of perplexing tasks even after this phase is conquered so don't hesitate another minute.

Oh, and best of 2006 to you......

Ferg

kevann(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:41 pm Post subject: 914 drivers only please...



Oh, and Ferg,

the next issue of the E.A. news printed the correction for the spacer

length. It is 46mm (1.8")

Kevin...Happy New Year

Fergus Kyle wrote:

Now, lookit, a quick review:

Going forward, the Europa folk call the first 'frame' the "landing gear frame"(1) - and then call the next bolt-on the "Engine mounting frame"(2) and the final one the "Rotax Ring Mount"(3).

As a neophyte builder, I imagined these accurate structures would slide together as smooth as silk. Wrong. I haven't even tried to attach the rotax to the intermediate frame(2) yet, because I am busy trying to wrestle the firewall together and must have the intermediate(2) on and off the gear frame(1) for fitting purposes.

While doing the latter, I am using substitute bolts to save wear and tear on the proper ones. However, when it comes to assembling this jigsaw together, I note the bottom bolts face forward, the top ones aft. How in Heaven can one install the bottom ones from behind the firewall, attempt to compress the 'Lord mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front - while holding the the whole shebang together without dropping odd bits onto the floor in the process?

By what devious means (and doubtless questionable magic incantations) can one accomplish all this? Have some of you people cheated and paid others - or have you some creative ways to compress these (at)#$%? pieces while singlehandedly screwing on a castellated nut far enough to pin it for keeps? - Yes I am using specified A5-40 (43/32") bolts and they don't even begin to show through at the other end. The Lord mounts seem to bloat the minute you take your eyes off them, and if you don't use all ten fingers to hold the assemblies together, several various cups go tingly-dingling under the mainwheel area for about twenty feet.

I am getting drunk just having a small sip after every failed attempt so as to forestall any nervous anxiety attack - and getting farther from success with every try.

Jenny says she can't stand the bl***dy wimpering and is considering moving to the Pacific coast in spite of the earth's crust being vexed. This state of affairs is becoming crucial and there's not much time left.

It's time to stop cackling behind your cuffs and come to my assistance. There's a whole series of perplexing tasks even after this phase is conquered so don't hesitate another minute.

Oh, and best of 2006 to you......

Ferg

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject: 914 drivers only please...



Hi! Ferg

Happy New year!

I'm not a Rotax Buff so don't take any notice of me especially so early

in the new year but also because I'm only a Jabiru Man.!

Sounds to me like you need a compression clamp!

Simple Eh !

Bob H G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300

flyinggpa(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:26 pm Post subject: 914 drivers only please...



Ferg

You and yours would be welcome on the "left" side if that is your wishes.

The bolts are too short for the shock mounts. Get four AN4-41 bolts and things will go much better. Don't make too much of a deal of it now because you will be in there later adjusting the engine off-set (maybe, I had too) ( don't set those cotter keys too hard if you want to make it easier later on)

As for the one bolt that goes in backwards, Do it as the book says or you will never get it together. The wrench will never fit the other way around. (I know)

Now, I and the wife are off to the kids place of a little Happy New Year. "Have a good one everyone !!! "

Cliff Shaw

1041 Euclid ave.

Edmonds, WA 98020

425 776 5555

http://www.europaowners.org/WileE

possibletodo(at)YAHOO.COM
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: 914 drivers only please...



Ferg I gotta tell you I'm splitting my sides laughing at your poetic prose. Have you ever considered becoming a writer?

flyinggpa(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: 914 drivers only please...



Goofed --- Sorry AN5-41 Bolts

Cliff Shaw

1041 Euclid ave.

Edmonds, WA 98020

425 776 5555

http://www.europaowners.org/WileE

BEBERRY(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: 914 drivers only please...

n3eu(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: 914 drivers only please...



Fergus Kyle wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   How in Heaven can one install the bottom ones from

behind the firewall, attempt to compress the 'Lord

mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front -

while holding the whole shebang together without

dropping odd bits onto the floor in the process?

	


Ferg, just why y'all tryin' to use the proper length AN bolts as a

freakin' installation tool?  Just go to the hardware store and buy

a long length of 5/16" threaded rod, and 5/16 nuts. Cut said rod into

pieces longer than the AN bolts. Affix engine and snug the nuts,

compressing the rubber bushings. Thence, one-by-one, remove your

threaded rod thingies and sub an AN bolt.

Might this work for you too?

In any event, Happy New Year!

Reg,

Fred F.

ivor.phillips(at)ntlworld
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:49 am Post subject: 914 drivers only please...



Happy new year Ferg

I will admit that the correct bolts appear to be too short at first! But

with a bit of persuasion they will fit, I too used the cut length of

studding to compress the Lord mounts, and after a week or so they had settle

down enough to allow for the correct bolts with spare nuts to be used, Its

awkward but imminently doable,

regards

Ivor Phillips

 	  Quote: 	
		   By what devious means (and doubtless questionable magic

incantations) can one accomplish all this? Have some of you people cheated

and paid others - or have you some creative ways to compress these (at)#$%?

pieces while singlehandedly screwing on a castellated nut far enough to

pin it for keeps? - Yes I am using specified A5-40 (43/32") bolts and they

don't even begin to show through at the other end. The Lord mounts seem to

bloat the minute you take your eyes off them, and if you don't use all ten

fingers to hold the assemblies together, several various cups go

tingly-dingling under the mainwheel area for about twenty feet.

VE3LVO(at)rac.ca
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: 914 drivers only please...

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