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roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: VW update

The weather has been ucooperative, but I have 4 hours on my bigger motor now.  With the 2275cc I get about 100 more rpm at the same prop setting. I have not tried setting the prop for improvements yet.  As is I was able to pull in flaps and get air with 135' take off roll.  This was at sea level, wind calm, 13 gallons fuel.  As soon as I set the prop I'll get some climb and cruise numbers.   I expect my 3 gph to suffer.   

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: VW update

Ron

  

 You got about 10% more power if you have 100 rpm more RPM  on same propeller (setting) assuming you go from 3000 to 3100.   (3100/3000)^3 = 1.10

  

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LarryM

Joined: 27 Nov 2007
Posts: 63
Location: Genoa, IL

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: Re: VW update

Thanks for the update.  What is your installed VW weight, and flight weight?  What engine did you have before.  I am very interested in your results.  I currently have a 582, I think that I would like a VW, but am afraid of the weight.  I'm pretty heavy now with a grove gear, power coated and so on.  With the ballast ( I like to run max aft CG), I am 610.



Thanks,

larry

roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: VW update

Larry my empty weight was 660 until I added 3lb with the stroker crank, 7lb more flywheel, a little more at the heads, and another ignition.  I have a full size auto battery, ELT, indash cd stereo etc.  I had two pounds ballast on the tail, now I need two more to land full stall.   If I upgrade to the gear drive starter I can lose the heavy flywheel.  The KF IV 1200 handles the weight fine and leaves more usefull load than the C-152.  I was around 925lb when I did my 135' takeoff.  That was pulling in flaps. My normal is around 350'.  I'm curious how it would perform with the STOL wing.  Not trying to sell VW cause I've sure had to tinker to get to this point.  The plane had never flown until I hung the VW so no way to compare it to the 582.  Ron NB Ore  541KF

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 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 06:38:38 -0800

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 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "LarryM" <CrownLJ(at)verizon.net>

 Thanks for the update. What is your installed VW weight, and flight weight? What engine did you have before. I am very interested in your results. I currently have a 582, I think that I would like a VW, but am afraid of the weight. I'm pretty heavy now with a grove gear, power coated and so on. With the ballast ( I like to run max aft CG), I am 610.

 Thanks,

 larry

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LarryM

Joined: 27 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: Re: VW update

Thanks great performance Ron!



  I have an STOL Avid with the 582.  The CG has been a problem as well as the total weight.  I don't know why exactly.  I can achieve the same take off distance as you did (I always use flap for t/o and landing), but I have the stol wing.  I don't know why I'm so heavy, even allowing 30lbs more for the grove gear.  I have about 11 lbs of lead in the tail, plus about 17lbs from the elt and a battery.  I fly with the cg at the published aft limit, (advised by the designer).  I wonder How heavy the FWF weight of the 582 really is?  I have read somewhere about 150 lbs, but how did this MK1V get so heavy?  It should be about 500 lbs.



  If you get a chance, could you tell me what reduction gearing and any tips for considering a switch.  I think that when its time to replace the 582, it would still be the cheapest and easiest to replace it with another 582, but I am partial to VW, though I have no experience with them.



Thanks,

larry

shinco(at)bright.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: VW update

Larry,I too was looking at the VW engine to replace my 582 all so..the 

weight of the VW will be too heavy.I am going with the Jabiru 85hp 

2200.a better pick.and the weight will be closer to the 582.call Jabiru 

dealer dave Jalanti.in NY 518-851-2095.he will have all the info that 

you need to change your kitfox to the Jabiru engine.with the Vw 

engine.your usefull load will come down.alot.you need to do some more 

research in to the VW+Jabiru engines and I belive that you will make the 

better choice.  Steve Shinabery,N554KF   KF2   582 for now.



LarryM wrote:

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 Thanks great performance Ron!



   I have an STOL Avid with the 582.  The CG has been a problem as well as the total weight.  I don't know why exactly.  I can achieve the same take off distance as you did (I always use flap for t/o and landing), but I have the stol wing.  I don't know why I'm so heavy, even allowing 30lbs more for the grove gear.  I have about 11 lbs of lead in the tail, plus about 17lbs from the elt and a battery.  I fly with the cg at the published aft limit, (advised by the designer).  I wonder How heavy the FWF weight of the 582 really is?  I have read somewhere about 150 lbs, but how did this MK1V get so heavy?  It should be about 500 lbs.



   If you get a chance, could you tell me what reduction gearing and any tips for considering a switch.  I think that when its time to replace the 582, it would still be the cheapest and easiest to replace it with another 582, but I am partial to VW, though I have no experience with them.



 Thanks,

 larry





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LarryM

Joined: 27 Nov 2007
Posts: 63
Location: Genoa, IL

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:41 am Post subject: Re: VW update

Steve,



  If money wasn't an issue, I would agree that would be the way to go.  Since it is, that why I think it's best to just put another 582 in when that time comes.



larry

shinco(at)bright.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: VW update

Larry..I hate to say..But I think all so the 582 will be fine all so. 

Steve Shinabery N554KF  KF2 582



LarryM wrote:

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 Steve,



   If money wasn't an issue, I would agree that would be the way to go.  Since it is, that why I think it's best to just put another 582 in when that time comes.



 larry





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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject: VW update

Steve-

As far as I know, Dave Jalanti in New York is not a Jabiru dealer. He  

is a very knowledgeable (former) Jabiru owner, but to the best of my  

knowledge, there are only Pete in Tennessee, Andy in Florida, and Jim  

in California who are the US dealers, and one in Canada whose name I  

don't know. The last I heard these are the only Jabiru dealers, (as  

appointed by Jabiru of Australia) and they can only sell the engines  

regionally. Has something changed?



Lynn Matteson

Grass Lake, Michigan

Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200

flying w/440+ hrs

do not archive

On Dec 8, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Steve Shinabery wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Larry,I too was looking at the VW engine to replace my 582 all  

 so..the weight of the VW will be too heavy.I am going with the  

 Jabiru 85hp 2200.a better pick.and the weight will be closer to the  

 582.call Jabiru dealer dave Jalanti.in NY 518-851-2095.he will have  

 all the info that you need to change your kitfox to the Jabiru  

 engine.with the Vw engine.your usefull load will come down.alot.you  

 need to do some more research in to the VW+Jabiru engines and I  

 belive that you will make the better choice.  Steve  

 Shinabery,N554KF   KF2   582 for now.



 LarryM wrote:

> 

>

> Thanks great performance Ron!

>

>   I have an STOL Avid with the 582.  The CG has been a problem as  

> well as the total weight.  I don't know why exactly.  I can  

> achieve the same take off distance as you did (I always use flap  

> for t/o and landing), but I have the stol wing.  I don't know why  

> I'm so heavy, even allowing 30lbs more for the grove gear.  I have  

> about 11 lbs of lead in the tail, plus about 17lbs from the elt  

> and a battery.  I fly with the cg at the published aft limit,  

> (advised by the designer).  I wonder How heavy the FWF weight of  

> the 582 really is?  I have read somewhere about 150 lbs, but how  

> did this MK1V get so heavy?  It should be about 500 lbs.

>

>   If you get a chance, could you tell me what reduction gearing  

> and any tips for considering a switch.  I think that when its time  

> to replace the 582, it would still be the cheapest and easiest to  

> replace it with another 582, but I am partial to VW, though I have  

> no experience with them.

>

> Thanks,

> larry

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151156#151156

>

>

>

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

shinco(at)bright.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: VW update

Hi Lynn,when I contacted Jabiru,they had me to contact Dave Jalanti.and 

they said that he handled Kitfoxs for them.that he would help me.all so 

if you look at Jabiru web site.you will find Daves contact info there.so 

I am just guessing that he is a dealer for them.any way I hope to hook 

up with you again this summer some where.I am planning to have a kitfox 

fly in,here in  OHIO this summer.at Lake Field Airport.Celina 

OH....ID-CQA..  got 2 fly 4 now Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582 for now



Lynn Matteson wrote:

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 Steve-

 As far as I know, Dave Jalanti in New York is not a Jabiru dealer. He 

 is a very knowledgeable (former) Jabiru owner, but to the best of my 

 knowledge, there are only Pete in Tennessee, Andy in Florida, and Jim 

 in California who are the US dealers, and one in Canada whose name I 

 don't know. The last I heard these are the only Jabiru dealers, (as 

 appointed by Jabiru of Australia) and they can only sell the engines 

 regionally. Has something changed?



 Lynn Matteson

 Grass Lake, Michigan

 Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200

 flying w/440+ hrs

 do not archive

 On Dec 8, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Steve Shinabery wrote:



> 

>

> Larry,I too was looking at the VW engine to replace my 582 all 

> so..the weight of the VW will be too heavy.I am going with the Jabiru 

> 85hp 2200.a better pick.and the weight will be closer to the 582.call 

> Jabiru dealer dave Jalanti.in NY 518-851-2095.he will have all the 

> info that you need to change your kitfox to the Jabiru engine.with 

> the Vw engine.your usefull load will come down.alot.you need to do 

> some more research in to the VW+Jabiru engines and I belive that you 

> will make the better choice.  Steve Shinabery,N554KF   KF2   582 for 

> now.

>

> LarryM wrote:

>> 

>>

>> Thanks great performance Ron!

>>

>>   I have an STOL Avid with the 582.  The CG has been a problem as 

>> well as the total weight.  I don't know why exactly.  I can achieve 

>> the same take off distance as you did (I always use flap for t/o and 

>> landing), but I have the stol wing.  I don't know why I'm so heavy, 

>> even allowing 30lbs more for the grove gear.  I have about 11 lbs of 

>> lead in the tail, plus about 17lbs from the elt and a battery.  I 

>> fly with the cg at the published aft limit, (advised by the 

>> designer).  I wonder How heavy the FWF weight of the 582 really is?  

>> I have read somewhere about 150 lbs, but how did this MK1V get so 

>> heavy?  It should be about 500 lbs.

>>

>>   If you get a chance, could you tell me what reduction gearing and 

>> any tips for considering a switch.  I think that when its time to 

>> replace the 582, it would still be the cheapest and easiest to 

>> replace it with another 582, but I am partial to VW, though I have 

>> no experience with them.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> larry

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Read this topic online here:

>>

>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151156#151156

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shinco(at)bright.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: VW update

Lynn,I belive that Dave Jalanti,is selling engines through Pet.so he may 

not be a dealer ,BUT,,,,any way Steve Shinabery N554KF



Lynn Matteson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Steve-

 As far as I know, Dave Jalanti in New York is not a Jabiru dealer. He 

 is a very knowledgeable (former) Jabiru owner, but to the best of my 

 knowledge, there are only Pete in Tennessee, Andy in Florida, and Jim 

 in California who are the US dealers, and one in Canada whose name I 

 don't know. The last I heard these are the only Jabiru dealers, (as 

 appointed by Jabiru of Australia) and they can only sell the engines 

 regionally. Has something changed?



 Lynn Matteson

 Grass Lake, Michigan

 Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200

 flying w/440+ hrs

 do not archive

 On Dec 8, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Steve Shinabery wrote:



> 

>

> Larry,I too was looking at the VW engine to replace my 582 all 

> so..the weight of the VW will be too heavy.I am going with the Jabiru 

> 85hp 2200.a better pick.and the weight will be closer to the 582.call 

> Jabiru dealer dave Jalanti.in NY 518-851-2095.he will have all the 

> info that you need to change your kitfox to the Jabiru engine.with 

> the Vw engine.your usefull load will come down.alot.you need to do 

> some more research in to the VW+Jabiru engines and I belive that you 

> will make the better choice.  Steve Shinabery,N554KF   KF2   582 for 

> now.

>

> LarryM wrote:

>> 

>>

>> Thanks great performance Ron!

>>

>>   I have an STOL Avid with the 582.  The CG has been a problem as 

>> well as the total weight.  I don't know why exactly.  I can achieve 

>> the same take off distance as you did (I always use flap for t/o and 

>> landing), but I have the stol wing.  I don't know why I'm so heavy, 

>> even allowing 30lbs more for the grove gear.  I have about 11 lbs of 

>> lead in the tail, plus about 17lbs from the elt and a battery.  I 

>> fly with the cg at the published aft limit, (advised by the 

>> designer).  I wonder How heavy the FWF weight of the 582 really is?  

>> I have read somewhere about 150 lbs, but how did this MK1V get so 

>> heavy?  It should be about 500 lbs.

>>

>>   If you get a chance, could you tell me what reduction gearing and 

>> any tips for considering a switch.  I think that when its time to 

>> replace the 582, it would still be the cheapest and easiest to 

>> replace it with another 582, but I am partial to VW, though I have 

>> no experience with them.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> larry

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Read this topic online here:

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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151156#151156

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