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ktlkrn(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

Living in a residential airpark I've got to see a  variety of lighting. All of the hangars on my street are the same dimensions,  45'x40', 15' ceilings.  Stock lighting was 6 -2 bulb 4' flourescent  fixtures. This is inadequate. One of my neighbors went with 6 -4 bulb 4'  fixtures and this improved things greatly but still wasn't ideal.

  

 By far the best lighting I've seen is large Halogen  fixtures. My next door neighbor has them and his lighting is unequalled. Another  followed his lead but added a couple of extra fixtures. He has light.  

  

 Another huge factor is the floor. My floor is epoxy  and gray in color with a slight gloss finish. My next door neigbor (with the  halogens) floor is tan, leaning toward a more yellowish tint with very little  gloss. Although the lights are white the hangar has a yellowish tint when  the lights are on.

  

 The other neighbor who added halogens has a light  blue floor with light gloss. He has the best lighting on the block.

  

 If doing again, I'd go with the halogens despite  the added cost. The lighting is incredible. The fixtures hang down from the  ceiling making bulb changes although my neighbor hasn't had any bulb failures in  6 years. Good lighting makes things so much nicer. I'm going to go with the  halogens before next summer.

  

 Darwin N. Barrie

 Chandler AZ

 RV7 N717EE

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n7hqk

Joined: 02 Mar 2006
Posts: 14
Location: Cedar City, Utah

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

I built my shop several years ago and wrestled with the lighting issue.  I tried several and have finally settled on using "brood Lights" with the clamp removed, that I got at Lowes,  They are single lamp  screw base fixtures that have a 10" aluminum reflector.  I installed eight 4x4 outlet boxes on the ceiling of the 35'x40 shop for a total of 32 lights.  I use the 20' cords that the lamps come with to suspend them over each of my work areas.  I can drop them down to just above the table top of a work table or pull them up over the main parking bay to clear my truck...  I have each outfitted with a 9-27 watt standard CFL bulb and they are switched in banks of 8.  I use the cheap plastic work clamps and/or a zip tie to clip the wire to a conduit over where I need the lamp and have screwed 16" long sections of 4" PVC pipe to the ceiling to roll up the excess cordage and stuff it into to get it out of the way. While I was wiring I also installed 8 ea. quad outlet boxes on #10 AWG 3 cond. SO cord that drop to the floor from the ceiling for outlets in the shop.  I'll post some photos of the setup on my kitlog site http://www.mykitlog.com/n7hqk .   I love it!  Low cost the CLF's start in the cold and can be purchased cheaply and in various color temps and cost little to run.

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Ray D. Congdon - N7HQK

d-burton(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

“By far the best lighting I've seen is large Halogen fixtures. My next door neighbor has them and his lighting is unequalled. Another followed his lead but added a couple of extra fixtures. He has light. “  

   

I’m just about to tackle the lighting issue myself.  Can you give us any more information about the type of halogen fixture you like?  I like metal halide a lot, but it’s pretty expensive to run and the bulbs are expensive and have a fairly short life.  

   

Thanks,  

Dave  

    

   

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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

That depends on what type of fluorescent you are using.  I have a 40x64 shop/hanger up here in Wisconsin and I use 8 of the 8ft High Output strip lights you can find from your local LowesDepot for about $50.  If it drops below 30F it takes them a couple minutes to warm up for full light output but they work fine down into the negative temperatures with no flicker.  Again, they MUST be the 110 watt HO type light which are also referred to as "cold start".  Another nice thing is they are cheaper to run than most other lighting out there, I believe each fixture is around 1.5 amp.



  The 8 lights in that space are adequate but two more would probably be perfect.  I would also try and get units with a reflector.  If you look around on the net you can get HO ballasts and just pick up the el cheapo 8' lights w/reflector and swap the ballast.



Michael Sausen



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capsteve

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: NIAGARA FALLS NY

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:40 am Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

You are spot on. I really shouldn't call my lights mercury vapors as I don't

know exactly what I bought.....duh.. from your description I probably bought

low pres sodium lamps.

	the point I was making (or trying to ) was to avoid the temptation

to buy cheap lowe-depot lights. Because as with everything else, you get

what you pay for. 

	OH, To top the cake, a week ago Sunday when I opened the hangar door

the acrylic diffuser dropped off one of the suspended light fixtures and

smashed on the floor a few feet from the wing of my 6A. It looked as if the

heat from the bulb was slowly cooking the plastic over time making it

brittle, and although the lamp was cold when it fell off, a gust of wind may

have caught it. 



Steve dinieri

Iflyrv10.com

 




Just to be correct, mercury vapor lights have a bluish

light.  If the light is a deep yellow, it is a low

pressure sodium light.  If the light is almost white

with a yellowish tint, it is a high pressure sodium

light.



Dave



--- Steven DiNieri <capsteve(at)adelphia.net> wrote:



[quote] 

 <capsteve(at)adelphia.net>

 

 Brian

 I'd avoid this route as this is exactly what I've

 done. the color from the

 cheap mercvapor lighting is an awful yellow that

 distorts all color

 perception. although the light was bright enough, i

 actually got headaches

 from the poor light color after long periods of

 exposure. i haven't changed

 them out yet, but i have lined the perimeter of the

 hangar with 4ft

 fluorescent fixtures and it has made a huge

 difference. perhaps the best

 lighting solution is a marriage of different

 technologies. 

 of coarse your mileage may vary...

 steve dinieri

 Iflyrv10.com

 

 

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truflite(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

The ones you see at Costco are 400 watt fixtures and

they are high up so the light "umbrella" they cast

overlaps with the next fixture.  Next time you are in

their store, find an open area of floor and count how

many shadows your body casts, if you can see them.



Dave



30+ years an electrician

--- Robin Marks <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Ok, I would like to chime in on yet another subject

 I know NOTHING

 about!

 

 I own a 50' x 50' hangar (2500 square feet) and it

 came with lighting

 that was detailed in Jim's email:

 



http://www.businesslights.com/high-bay-metal-halide-fixtures-c-277_477.h
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   tml

 

 My unit has only 4 of these lights hung very high in

 the rafters

 (probably 25' high ceilings) and it is plenty of

 light for that space.

 Frankly I was surprised to see how inexpensive they

 were listed as I

 always assumed they were more expensive that that. 

 

 While I have read and understand that lowing the

 lights is the proper

 decision for some styles of lights if one goes into

 a Costco you see

 these lights suspended all the way up the very top

 of the store, well

 clear of any equipment or storage needs. I assume

 they know what they

 are doing in placing these lamps that high.

 

 The drawback to these lights is that they do not

 turn on instantly. When

 I flip the switch I get annoyed that I don't have

 instant light but

 before I think about it a second time the lights are

 fully on. I have no

 idea how energy efficient these lights are but I am

 a satisfied owner

 for both amount or light and light quality.

 

  

 

 4:30 am, Can't sleep,

 

 Robin

 

 RV-4               Sold

 

 RV-6A            400 Hours

 

 RV-10             BPE Engine arrived

 

 


	


Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 

http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

bmeyette(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

I haven't actually installed mine yet, so thanks for the tip.    I'd just

bought one at my electrician's suggestion, to see how the concept would

work.   I'll check it for color before installing it.   Thanks

brian



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n801bh(at)netzero.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

I have always used 8' High output fixtures in all my race shops and other large areas. I install the F96T12CWHO bulbs and the light output is substantial. I recently built a  big garage for a customer and he bought those new T-8 fixtures, tiny bulbs  and all. My first impression was, "this won't work". Well in a 50'X60' shop I put up just 4 of the four bulb fixtures to give me some light to finish the place. The light output is amazing, the price of the new fangled fixtures is staggering, but as in all new things the cost will eventually come down. The biggest eye opener was when I installed the diffusers. They look great but it cuts the light output about in half. Moral of the story, leave off the diffusers and let the polished reflectors do their thing.... 

do not archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve(at)adelphia.net> wrote:

--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve(at)adelphia.net>



You are spot on. I really shouldn't call my lights mercury vapors as I don't

know exactly what I bought.....duh.. from your description I probably bought

low pres sodium lamps.

the point I was making (or trying to ) was to avoid the temptation

to buy cheap lowe-depot lights. Because as with everything else, you get

what you pay for. 

OH, To top the cake, a week ago Sunday when I opened the hangar door

the acrylic diffuser dropped off one of the suspended light fixtures and

smashed on the floor a few feet from the wing of my 6A. It looked as if the

heat from the bulb was slowly cooking the plastic over time making it

brittle, and although the lamp was cold when it fell off, a gust of wind may

have caught it. 



Steve dinieri

Iflyrv10.com



--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com>



Just to be correct, mercury vapor lights have a bluish

light.  If the light is a deep yellow, it is a low

pressure sodium light.  If the light is almost white

with a yellowish tint, it is a high pressure sodium

light.



Dave



--- Steven DiNieri <capsteve(at)adelphia.net> wrote:



[quote] --> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri"

 <capsteve(at)adelphia.net>

 

 Brian

 I'd avoid this route as this is exactly what I've

 done. the color from the

 cheap mercvapor lighting is an awful yellow that

 distorts all color

 perception. although the light was bright enough, i

 actually got headaches

 from the poor light color after long periods of

 exposure. i haven't changed

 them out yet, but i have lined the perimeter of the

 hangar with 4ft

 fluorescent fixtures and it has made a huge

 difference. perhaps the best

 lighting solution is a marriage of different

 technologies. 

 of coarse your mileage may vary...

 steve dinieri

 Iflyrv10.com

 

 

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darnpilot(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

Darwin:

    

   Can you describe, or better yet provide a brand/photo of these halogen fixtures?

    

   I need to add lights in my hanger.  I have a standard T-hanger with three (3) - two (2) 8' fluorescent tubes fixtures, mounted on the ceiling (appx 16' high).  Inadequate to say the least.

 

 Thanks.

 

 Jeff

 

 

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maurv8(at)compuplus.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

Check out:

  

 http://www.lightmart.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=18842

  

 Mauri

 RV-8 Finishing 

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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

Hangar  lighting is simple and cheap...good hangar lighting is a bit more complex and  costs a little more.

  

 Chuck Jensen 

 

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shempdowling(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

Has anyone mentioned the Sodium vapor lights?  I have them in my hangar 

and love em.  They take a while to warm up but offer great light in a 

large space.

Shemp

Tim Bryan wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

> ? - Why wouldn't the 65 watt fluorescent units that you talk about below

> suffer

> from the same effects (or is it affects)?

>

> Regards,

>  	 /\/elson

>

>     

 [Tim] They still get brighter as they warm up but they don't flicker like

 the 8 foot fluorescents do.  4 foot fluorescents don't really flicker to

 bad, but these lights use a lens that helps get the light down.  They say

 they are equivalent to a 500 watt but it is only 65 watts of power.

 I like them except for they are hard to mount on a flat ceiling.

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: Off Topic: Hanger Lighting

My workshop (30X80 for my RV-10) has two rows of 4 metal-halide lights 

(400W each) similar to the ones in Home Depot's ceiling, and they're 10' 

apart.  They're in the center 40' of the workshop as I have some 'clean' 

rooms on the 'wings'.  I have them switched so I can turn on 1 pair at a 

time to cut down on the electric bill.  It's daylight inside at night!!!!



Linn

do not archive

Michael Kraus wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  



 



I am building a new hanger on my house and was looking for information on what type of hanger lighting to install.  The ceilings will be 16' tall and it is 44' x 60'.  I would like good work lighting throughout.  Also, if anyone knows of the light spacing it would help.  



Thanks

-Mike Kraus

RV-4 Flying

RV-10 wiring

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