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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: rudder cable protection

All flying monwheelies,



I'm wondering about the advisability of protecting the rudder cables 

from potential muck and moisture where they run through the wheel well 

by encasing them in some kind of tubing.



Is there anyone out there who wishes they had?



Or anyone who regrets doing so, and if so, why?



Is anyone aware of any downside to doing so?



Or is this just another non-issue which might prompt the comment, 

"Fred, just build the plane!" ?



Fred

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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: rudder cable protection

Fred,

I used Nyloflow tubing to cover the rudder cables from the firewall to well aft of the wheel well.  Since I'm not quite flying yet, I can't comment on the efficacy of the treatment.



Good building and great flying,

Bob Borger

Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S

http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

(90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done.  Baggage bay in.  Flaps & Main Gear complete.  Mod 72 complete.  Instrument panel complete, except for testing.  Rotax 914 installed (for the 3rd time).  Airmaster Prop installed.  Electrical complete, except for testing.  Fuel system complete except for testing.  Working in - 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Interior & Finishing.  Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05.  Seat arrived from Oregon Aero.  E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed. 

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208

Home:  940-497-2123

Cel:  817-992-1117



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All flying monwheelies,

I'm wondering about the advisability of protecting the rudder cables from potential muck and moisture where they run through the wheel well by encasing them in some kind of tubing.

Is there anyone out there who wishes they had?

Or anyone who regrets doing so, and if so, why?

Is anyone aware of any downside to doing so?

Or is this just another non-issue which might prompt the comment, "Fred, just build the plane!" ?

Fred

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kheindl(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: rudder cable protection

Fred,



I and others have done same. Tube is attached to tunnel sides with P-clips. Have not had any problems and wouldn't expect any.



Karl

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From: rlborger(at)mac.com

Subject: Re: rudder cable protection

Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:46:04 -0600

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Fred,

I used Nyloflow tubing to cover the rudder cables from the firewall to well aft of the wheel well.  Since I'm not quite flying yet, I can't comment on the efficacy of the treatment.





Good building and great flying,



Bob Borger



Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S



http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL



(90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done.  Baggage bay in.  Flaps & Main Gear complete.  Mod 72 complete.  Instrument panel complete, except for testing.  Rotax 914 installed (for the 3rd time).  Airmaster Prop installed.  Electrical complete, except for testing.  Fuel system complete except for testing.  Working in - 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Interior & Finishing.  Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05.  Seat arrived from Oregon Aero.  E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed.



3705 Lynchburg Dr.



Corinth, TX  76208



Home:  940-497-2123



Cel:  817-992-1117





On Dec 17, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Fred Klein wrote:






All flying monwheelies,



I'm wondering about the advisability of protecting the rudder cables from potential muck and moisture where they run through the wheel well by encasing them in some kind of tubing.



Is there anyone out there who wishes they had?



Or anyone who regrets doing so, and if so, why?



Is anyone aware of any downside to doing so?



Or is this just another non-issue which might prompt the comment, "Fred, just build the plane!" ?



Fred



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paul.the.aviator(at)gmail
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: rudder cable protection

Fred,



I used Nyloflow and after 700 hours I haven't seen any down side.  I

believe that is how it is done on the Long Eze's as well.



Cheers,  Paul

rehn(at)rockisland.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: rudder cable protection

Fred

You keep adding stuff and you won't make it to OSH this year or next! Mine

are per factory and after 7 years may have some dirt on them but are working

fine and are easy to inspect for corrosion etc.

If it's not broke why fix it?

Jerry 



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josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:42 am Post subject: rudder cable protection

Fred,

Even in Summer it's below freezing at high altitudes. Such a cable in a tube could contain water and freeze stuck. 



Regards,



Jos Okhuijsen

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karelvranken(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: rudder cable protection

Fred,

The cable in the tubing, even partly, will not be visible for inspection.

When using teflon tubing for lubrication without oil or grease, you cannot 

avoid dust and sand entering the tubes and cause more wear inside.

If you land often in mud or when ploughing your private strip, wash it 

regularily and inspect condition. A mud cap can be of interest over the 

wheel.

Seasons greetings.

Karel Vranken,  F-PKRL



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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: rudder cable protection

Fred, Nylaflow has worked perfectly for me x 6yrs. It's standard practice in

glider dating back to the invention of Nylaflow. Although there is an

inspection issue, my inspector (who is a professional glider repair

engineer), tells me that cable wear in the protected bits is significantly

less than in the exposed bits running over wheels or other bearing points.

Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: rudder cable protection

Thanks guys for all the thoughtful comments to my query. As I still 

have questions in my mind as to the exact path f the rudder cables and 

potential clearance issues, I'm going to wait until I can trial fit 

them before deciding about the nylaflow conduits. Without wanting to 

prolong the subject, I gather that the cable guides and rubbing strip 

would be altered or omitted entirely when conduit is used.



Fred

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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: rudder cable protection

Fred, You still keep the rubbing strip and route the Nylaflow through the

guide in the wheel well (probably reducing the friction and certainly the

wear at this point). You leave a gap as the cable goes under the little

wheels. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

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