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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

Nothing that the rudder won't handle... easily.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

propwash wrote:

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 One of the posters mentioned that I should practice on a wide runnway? Is there any reason for that? Do you need a wider runway than normal with a Kolb? I have heard that when the plane gets up on both mains it has a desire to swerve to the right.





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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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beauford173(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

Talked today with the CFI who gave me the BFR in his Challenger II...  The 

subject of this Kolb List thread on the Challengers came up.    He is a 

retired military aviator with boucoup (old Vietnamese term) hours, who is 

also a graduate aeronautical engineer, current FAA A&E, IA, etc....  He said 

that he recently experienced the loss of his Challenger's factory provided 

plastic rudder trim tab in flight and the experience was memorable... to be 

explicit, he said it "scared the living s#%t out of me..."   He indicated 

that the airplane became almost uncontrollable with any significant amount 

of engine power applied, constantly wanting to turn hard to the left, and it 

took constant application of full right rudder to maintain sufficient 

control to limp back to the airport.  It was only when he cut the power on 

short final that the airplane became controllable with normal inputs...  He 

expressed surprise that this relatively small tab could have such a profound 

effect on the controllability of the airplane.



He fabricated a new trim tab from aluminum sheet and said he would never use 

the stock plastic item again.



sounds exciting....



Worth what ye paid fer it....

beauford

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

Then you might enjoy this - years ago, before I bought the MKIII, took 

the long-suffering wife with me and went to a Challenger dealer in NW 

North Carolina to take a look at a Challenger. Had never really looked 

at one before, knew they had been around for a while, so why not?



Weather was too cruddy to fly, so we looked at several that were in 

various hangars at his grass strip, and he offered us to have us climb 

into the 2 seater. I was able to get in the front w/o too much trouble, 

but the back seat - wow. You have to climb over and between the lift 

struts, slide one leg alongside the far side of the front seat while 

swinging the other leg over the side and alongside the front seat. A 

good test of agility, but then came getting out. Not too bad, but 

required typical male upper body strength.



Which meant Sweet Thing was in deep trouble. She valiantly struggled her 

way in without drawing blood, and pronounced it reasonably comfortable. 

But then it was time to get out. Configured as she for comfort rather 

than for speed, and being in her golden years, her struggle to lift her 

weight up, get her legs out from beside the front seat, and get her 

heinie over the side of that fuselage was a struggle worthy of a 

contestant on Ninja Warrior. It crossed my mind that all I would need to 

do would be to get her to go with me to several fly-ins a year, have her 

climb in and out while I sold tickets, and I could pay it off in six 

months...



Decided I really wanted a good airplane more than spousal abuse and 

bought a MKIII. 



Don't know if you wanted to know that about a Challenger or not, but as 

Beauford says, it's worth what ye paid fer it.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



John Hauck wrote:

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 All this Challenger info in the recent past, and I have not learned 

 anything about a Challenger that I wanted.

  

 john h

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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Chall

Richard,



That was a great story. Thanks for sharing. As we age and grow circumferentially, boarding and un-boarding (if that is a word) become more important decision criteria for sure. Several years ago I saw a pretty Taylorcraft for sale that sort of interested me. I took the trouble to get into it and out of it and said no thank you. Too much work.

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smlplanet(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

I as J D have listened to the comments Kolb vs Challenger and had to say something. 

I have a Mark 3 w/912 and a modified Challenger 11 CW special w/503 and both have their 

good and not so called good points, it all depends on what you want or need

neilsenrm(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

Haven't we beaten this Challenger thing to death???? 

  

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 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered MKIIIC "Kolb"

  

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jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

Rick,doesn`t just about all the topics get beaten  to death?  The way around it it to ask specifically for facts on a subject,  not opinions.   : )  Jim

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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

Haven't we beaten this Challenger thing to  death???? >>

  

  

 Yes, yes, yes. yes. I really don`t know how I have  been cast as the Challenger champion. Just because I flew one and it seemed to  me that my experience was at odds with the often second hand stories which were  being passed on as facts. I promise to stop. 

 Incidentally I wonder how many Challengers were  sold against the Kolbs?

  

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat 

 



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

Patrick:

  

 Besides you, who really gives a big fat rat's  ass?

  

 Merry Xmas and Happy New Year!  

  

  

 Anonymous Kolb Builder/Pilot

 hauck's holler, alabama   (hehehe) 

 [quote]   Incidentally I wonder how many Challengers were    sold against the Kolbs?

    

   Pat 

    

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Titus, Alabama

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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

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