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Steve Boetto

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 364

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: Mission Specific

Click  here: 20 Aqualane Dr, Winter Haven, FL 33880, USA - Google Maps   

                                                                          150 feet, Glassy              Water, No Pig  Here



 My Playground, Notice all the lakes and also Lakeland Airport to the west.  Click on the map link above.

 By the Way, Very few aircraft of any kind can be off and gone in 150' on  Glassy water.   

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jb92563

Joined: 23 Mar 2007
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Location: Southern California

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Mission Specific

That a great environment you have out there for your plane.



If I had more lake around here in SoCal I'd also put on floats but I worry about landing on land with a power out on floats.



Any idea what would happen if you did?



Perhaps a mono float setup that I had been thinking about would allow me to keep my wheels.....problem is always the weight thought being part 103 and even the Max gross weight of the design.



What is the max part 103 allowance for floats?

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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: Mission Specific

At 01:27 PM 12/26/2007, jb92563 wrote:



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		  If I had more lake around here in SoCal I'd also put on floats but I worry 

about landing on land with a power out on floats.



Any idea what would happen if you did?


	


Seaplane pilots I know don't worry about putting down on land; the floats 

just slide... could even be better than puttling wheels down on soft ground.



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		  What is the max part 103 allowance for floats?


	


30 lbs per float, 10 lbs for each outrigger float.



-Dana

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Steve Boetto

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 364

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: Mission Specific

In a message dated 12/26/2007 5:34:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  d-m-hague(at)comcast.net writes:

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		  Seaplane    pilots I know don't worry about putting down on land; the floats 

just    slide... could even be better than puttling wheels down on soft    ground.



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		  What is the max part 103 allowance for floats?


	


30    lbs per float, 10 lbs for each outrigger  float.



-Dana

	


 

 Thanks Dana that sounds right although if you have a mono you might get a  few more pounds for the main float.      as far as in  the rough landings,  I would rather have those big collapsible gear under  me.



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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: Mission Specific

At 09:07 PM 12/26/2007, N27SB(at)aol.com wrote:

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		  30 lbs per float, 10 lbs for each outrigger float.  Thanks Dana that sounds right although if you have a mono you might get a few more pounds for the main float.      as far as in the rough landings,  I would rather have those big collapsible gear under me. 	


 As far as I can see, there is no mention of mono floats, just "30 lbs per float".  In the case of flying boats, it's still 30# (plus the 10 for each outrigger).



 I like the idea of the mono float for the US, to keep the spray off the prop.  One thought I had was two floats (so you get the 60#) very close together, with a solid web between (almost like a tunnel hull racing boat).  You could still add outrigger floats if necessary.



 I still think I'd rather go into, say, a plowed field with non amphibious floats than straight wheels.  There are quite a few videos on youtube of seaplanes landing (and even taking off!) on wet grass.



 -Dana



 

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Steve Boetto

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 364

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: Mission Specific

In a message dated 12/26/2007 9:39:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  d-m-hague(at)comcast.net writes:

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		  I like    the idea of the mono float for the US, to keep the spray off the prop.     One thought I had was two floats (so you get the 60#) very close together,    with a solid web between (almost like a tunnel hull racing boat).   	
  

 Ray,

  

 EP Dalton in KEY West offers a splash guard for the quicksilver Sprint 2  just as you described   

 Steve

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Steve Boetto

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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: Mission Specific

Dana,

  

 This is a shot from a few years ago of the Factory Xtra flown by Bryan  Melborn on Boetto/Melborn Experimental Amphib Floats.  Kolbs look great on Floats.

              

  



  

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Steve Boetto

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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:39 am Post subject: Mission Specific

In a message dated 12/26/2007 9:39:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  d-m-hague(at)comcast.net writes:

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As    far as I can see, there is no mention of mono floats, just "30 lbs per    float".  In the case of flying boats, it's still 30# (plus the 10 for    each outrigger).



I like the idea of the mono float for the US, to keep    the spray off the prop.  One thought I had was two floats (so you get the    60#) very close together, with a solid web between (almost like a tunnel hull    racing boat).  You could still add outrigger floats if    necessary.



I still think I'd rather go into, say, a plowed field with    non amphibious floats than straight wheels.  There are quite a few videos    on youtube of seaplanes landing (and even taking off!) on wet    grass.



-Dana 	
  

 Dana,  Have you done any water flying,  There is a major  difference in Seaplanes (MonoHull) and Floatplanes.

 Water Handling

 Looks

 Flight qualities

  

 I personally like the look of a Floatplane and everthing that goes with it.  Mono floats added to land plane tend to look Goofy.

  

 Rare photo of Ultrastar on floats   

              

  



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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: Mission Specific

At 09:44 AM 12/27/2007, N27SB(at)aol.com wrote:

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 Dana,  Have you done any water flying,  There is a major difference in Seaplanes (MonoHull) and Floatplanes.

 Water Handling

 Looks

 Flight qualities

  

 I personally like the look of a Floatplane and everthing that goes with it. Mono floats added to land plane tend to look Goofy.

  

 Rare photo of Ultrastar on floats... 

  	


 That DOES make a nice looking floatplane!



 Sadly, I have done no float flying, other than as a passenger years ago, and a number of R/C seaplanes over the years.  I'd like to change that though... and the airport I'm currently flying from is right on the river and has a seaplane ramp.  I agree that a mono float would look goofy on a high wing plane, but with the twin float spray shield it wouldn't be an issue (i.e. there'd be no point to a mono float).  I'd be interested to know how the Ultrastar behaved on floats... quite well, I imagine.



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Steve Boetto

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 364

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: Mission Specific

In a message dated 12/27/2007 1:17:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  d-m-hague(at)comcast.net writes:

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		  I'd be    interested to know how the Ultrastar behaved on floats... quite well, I    imagine.



-Dana

	


 

 According to my friend it was very quick off the water and flew very  nice.



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