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darrellhaas(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: Beginner

I just recently bought a fuselage kit from a friend and I'm trying to get up to speed with all the terms/abbreviations on the drawings. Not to appear stupid but trying to learn from others, is there a glossary that explains things like  dL ? Most of the things are obvious but you all know what it's like before you drill that first hole or make that first cut. You just want everything to be perfect and afraid to make a mistake. Are there any good books for advice like that for builders? 

 Thanks,

 Darrell

 601 XL

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PatrickW

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Beginner

Look over Zenith's website, and the archives here at Matronics.



Get yourself registered with Zenith so you can get access to their builders website.  They'll supply you with a UserID and password.



Drilling the first hole is the hardest part, but it's a great milestone.



IMHO, don't worry about being perfect.  If you do, you'll never finish the plane.  These are not mach 3 fighters or swiss watches, and they don't have to be perfect.  



Zenith aircraft have been build by volunteer labor at airshows and then flown by the designer himself, so that speaks well.  



Good luck.  You will have fun and learn a lot.



Patrick

601XL/Corvair

N63PZ

craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: Beginner

“dl” is “developed length” – the length after bending (someone will hump in with a more precise definition).  

   

The second most common question is “what is a standard angle”. The dimensions are on page 6-T-1 of the 601XL plans in the lower right corner.  

   

A good place to start reading is the Zenith constructions standards document. The glossary is on page 5:  

   

http://www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/zenair%20construction%20standards%20draft%201-07.pdf  

   

Also read “All-Metal Construction Made Easy” starting at:  

   

http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/allmetal.htm  

   

-- Craig  

     

From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Haas

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 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

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Thanks,  

    

Darrell  

    

601 XL  

    

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Kevin Bonds

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Nashville, Tn

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:51 am Post subject: Beginner

Actually "dl" is the length before bending. Usually 1mm or 2mm less 

material per bend. Each bend adds length to the finished part--so to speak.



Craig Payne wrote:

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 “dl” is “developed length” – the length after bending (someone will 

 hump in with a more precise definition).



 The second most common question is “what is a standard angle”. The 

 dimensions are on page 6-T-1 of the 601XL plans in the lower right corner.



 A good place to start reading is the Zenith constructions standards 

 document. The glossary is on page 5:



 http://www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/zenair%20construction%20standards%20draft%201-07.pdf



 Also read “*_All-Metal Construction Made Easy_*” starting at:



 http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/allmetal.htm



 -- Craig

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KevinBonds
Nashville, TN
Plans-building Zenith CH601XL w/Corvair Power
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds

craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: Beginner

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		   Actually "dl" is the length before bending.


	


What always throws me off is that it is past tense: developed length. You

would think they would name it "predeveloped length" 



-- Craig

Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Beginner

One problem you will find starting with the fuselage is that the build manual assumes you have learned somethings while building the tail and wings. 



Good luck and as everyone else has mentioned contact Zenith.



Oh, and use this list. It is a great resource. 



[quote="darrellhaas(at)gmail.com"]I just recently bought a fuselage kit from a friend and I'm trying to get up to speed with all the terms/abbreviations on the drawings. Not to appear stupid but trying to learn from others, is there a glossary that explains things like  dL ? Most of the things are obvious but you all know what it's like before you drill that first hole or make that first cut. You just want everything to be perfect and afraid to make a mistake. Are there any good books for advice like that for builders? 

 Thanks,

 Darrell

 601 XL

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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject: Beginner

Darrell,

      One good thing  to remember when building anything and that is

        MEASURE TWICE, AND CUT  ONCE

           There are hundreds of builders on this  forum who are knowledgeable and willing to help so any time you need to know  anything, use the Zenith net because it's a great resource.

  

 Bob Stone

 Harker Heights, Tx

 ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300

 (I now have 78 hours flying time on this  aircraft)

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andrewack(at)clara.co.uk
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: Beginner

EVEN BETTER, MEASURE TWICE, STOP THINK ABOUT IT, MEASURE AGAIN, THEN CUT ONCE.  Strange, even after all these measures your scrap bin will soon fill up!!  

   

Andy Ackland  

601HD (60% done) in the UK  

   

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From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert stone

 Sent: 27 December 2007 21:18

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Beginner  

  

     

Darrell,  

    

     One good thing to remember when building anything and that is  

    

       MEASURE TWICE, AND CUT ONCE  

    

         There are hundreds of builders on this forum who are knowledgeable and willing to help so any time you need to know anything, use the Zenith net because it's a great resource.  

    

   

    

Bob Stone  

    

Harker   Heights, Tx  

    

ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300  

    

(I now have 78 hours flying time on this aircraft)  

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Kevin Bonds

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 171
Location: Nashville, Tn

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: Beginner

I second the motion to henceforth refer to "dl" as "pdl". 



Kevin



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Craig Payne wrote:

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 What always throws me off is that it is past tense: developed length. You

 would think they would name it "predeveloped length" 



 -- Craig

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KevinBonds
Nashville, TN
Plans-building Zenith CH601XL w/Corvair Power
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds

tjs22t(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: Beginner

...Are there any good

books for advice like  that for builders?



 Darrell,

  

 You now know more than  you'll ever need about dl, especially since you're working from a kit and will  rarely make a part requiring that knowledge.  Still, it's good to know as  much as you can; who knows, you may decide to plans-built the rest.

  

 You've gotten a lot of good  info.  To it I would add:

  

 Buy the Tony Bingellis  books from the EAA, particually the first two...

  

 If not already a member of  EAA become one...

  

 Find an active EAA chapter  near you - one with builders, not coffee sippers and pizza eaters, who are there  only to socialize.  The social aspect of building, the hangar flying, is  important, but you need folks in the know with their hands in or on a  project...

  

 If you haven't already done  so contact a local FSDO or MIDO office and tell them you're building.  Ask  all pertinent paperwork be sent your way, especially AC20-27F and the forms that  will be needed for final steps in project.  As you have a reserved tail  number then maybe this is done...

  

      http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/

  

      http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/locate_office/mido/

  

 If you're an EAA member you  can find a wealth of info from general to detailed at

  

      http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/index.html  

  

 I'll sendyou some info on  nutplates off-list.

  

 Good luck    jeff

  

 



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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: Beginner

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