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gmosh(at)charter.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: Aircraft specifications

I have a copy of a small pamphlet  titled "Sales Data  Handbook" (would fit in a shirt pocket) that lists all the Aero Commander  models from the 100, Darter-100, 200 (looks like a Meyers) AG-B-1A Snipe  (radial) up through the 1121 Jet Commander.  I got it from a fellow  Commander owner Charley Williamson -who owned a 520 at the time, based  out of Pontiac, Michigan.  Charley helped me ferry my bird from  Tecumseh, MI in '89 to Pontiac where I got it airworthy again.   For whatever reason Charley had a bunch of these loose in a box (I should  have snagged more).  I haven't seen Charley in years but I believe  Charley has passed on; I saw his 520 in Howell, MI a few years back on the  tie down ramp. 

  

 This little gem lists: price, years built, serial # range,  quantity built, power plant, prop, fuel specs...dimensions -  performance.  The index includes 27 models of Commanders all  together.

  

 I can copy it and send it on to (?) help with the Commander specification  issue.  Note that I should have paid closer attention to how I hole  punched the bloody thing - I inadvertently punched it on the wrong side of  the page such that I cut out some of the spec's.   Nonetheless it's pretty comprehensive for its size and even with some  information cropped off, it's not so difficult to  interpolate between models to fill in the blanks.

  

 Gary Moshluk

 AC 560 N206DX  

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deneals(at)deneals.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: Aircraft specifications

Fellas (and gals)  

   

I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Gary’s info has been somehow lost due to hole punches.      

   

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[b]Deneal Schilmeister[/b][b], ATP LearJet[/b]  

St. Louis - Cincinnati  

1997 SL500  

http://deneals.com  

   

  

  

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deneals(at)deneals.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: Aircraft specifications

On 12/29/07 5:39 PM, "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals(at)deneals.com> wrote:

 

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		  Fellas (and gals)

 I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Gary’s info has been somehow lost due to hole punches.

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 Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet

 	
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 After writing the above, I went to my office (in my basement) and looked up the publication I have.

 

 Its title is “ROCKWELL COMMANDER AIRCRAFT HANDBOOK.”  It lists basic specs and base prices for Rockwell aircraft current in 1974, and specs for “Prior Models.”

 

 Here is a scan of the Table of Contents and two sample pages:

 

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: Aircraft specifications

That would be a treasure, Gary. If you could somehow copy  it, or send it so that I can scan it (I'll send it back) and publish it on the  website, it would be the answer. I didn't even start researching the  ag-Commanders. They should definately be in the website, don't you  think?

  

 Thanks

  

 Nico

  

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary  Moshluk

Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:29 PM

To:  Commander Chat

Subject: Aircraft  specifications

 

 I have a copy of a small pamphlet  titled "Sales Data  Handbook" (would fit in a shirt pocket) that lists all the Aero Commander  models from the 100, Darter-100, 200 (looks like a Meyers) AG-B-1A Snipe  (radial) up through the 1121 Jet Commander.  I got it from a fellow  Commander owner Charley Williamson -who owned a 520 at the time, based  out of Pontiac, Michigan.  Charley helped me ferry my bird from  Tecumseh, MI in '89 to Pontiac where I got it airworthy again.   For whatever reason Charley had a bunch of these loose in a box (I should  have snagged more).  I haven't seen Charley in years but I believe  Charley has passed on; I saw his 520 in Howell, MI a few years back on the  tie down ramp. 

  

 This little gem lists: price, years built, serial # range,  quantity built, power plant, prop, fuel specs...dimensions -  performance.  The index includes 27 models of Commanders all  together.

  

 I can copy it and send it on to (?) help with the Commander specification  issue.  Note that I should have paid closer attention to how I hole  punched the bloody thing - I inadvertently punched it on the wrong side of  the page such that I cut out some of the spec's.   Nonetheless it's pretty comprehensive for its size and even with some  information cropped off, it's not so difficult to  interpolate between models to fill in the blanks.

  

 Gary Moshluk

 AC 560 N206DX  

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: Aircraft specifications

Yes! that would be very nice to have.

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal  Schilmeister

Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:27 PM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Aircraft  specifications

 

On 12/29/07 5:39 PM,  "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals(at)deneals.com> wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		  Fellas (and gals)

I have a similar pamphlet and    would be happy to scan it if Gary’s info has been somehow lost due to hole    punches.

___________________________

Deneal Schilmeister, ATP    LearJet

	
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After writing the above, I went to my  office (in my basement) and looked up the publication I have.



Its title  is “ROCKWELL COMMANDER AIRCRAFT HANDBOOK.”  It lists basic specs and base  prices for Rockwell aircraft current in 1974, and specs for “Prior  Models.”



Here is a scan of the Table of Contents and two sample  pages:



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BertBerry1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: Aircraft specifications

If anyone is interested I have a pretty fair amount of 1121 Jet Commander stuff as well as 1123 and 1124 brochures and such if you would like to update that portion Nico.

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gmosh(at)charter.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: Aircraft specifications

Nicco,

  

 Looks to me as if Deneal's got the same one I have, except I don't have the  cover.  If Deneal has the scanning and electronic expertise to get it  to you - I'd go with his 'cleaner' electronic copy!  It even has more  aircraft listed in the index than the one I have.

  

 Here I thought I had something unique?  

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barry.collman(at)air-brit
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: Aircraft specifications

Hi Nico, et al,

  

 The brochures & booklets mentioned by Gary  & Deneal are "OK", but I'm pretty sure they contain errors.

  

 Sadly, it seems that Aero Commander/Rockwell  supplied erroneous data to the media and it was accepted and published in,  for example, Jane's "All The World's Aircraft".

 Some of the dimensions were particularly  susceptible to being wrong.

  

 I have been 'working' with a few other guys, one  of whom was an Engineer with Aero Commander from the very early 60's and we have  ironed-out all the squawks.

  

 So, I am sending the correct data to Nico to go  into the website.

 Once it is "on display" and you think something  is wrong, by all means shout.

 I will then have the opportunity to double-check  the data and explain what the true situation is.

  

 Also, once the Specs are available for perusal,  let us know whether other data should be included and we will "sort  it".

  

 One area that is difficult is the "Empty  Weight".

 Because of the original customer specs for any  one given aircraft, the Empty Weight will, of course, vary.

 I'm absolutely certain that most Empty weight  figures in the various Handbooks etc will reflect an aircraft delivered with  only extremely basic instruments, radios & equipment. In numerous cases,  these basic items were added to by the Distributor before the aircraft was  finally handed over to the original customer.

  

 Very Best Regards,

 Barry

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yourtcfg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: Aircraft specifications

Thanks Barry for your tireless work!!  jb

 

 

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