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Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

Well, it looks like I win the prize! I just called Ann at Vans since my

finish kit ships this week. I asked her who she had it scheduled with for

shipping and the cost and she told me ABF for $787.00!



I asked her to get a quote from several others and about a half-hour later

she called me back. The best price to ship from Aurora, OR to Mineral Bluff,

GA is $710 using FedEx Freight.



Unbelievable!

Bret Smith

RV-9A N16BL

Blue Ridge, Ga

www.FlightInnovations.com

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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

It's getting to the point where it'd be cheaper to drive out and rent a

UHaul trailer. 



Of just move to Oregon (g)



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klwerner(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

Bret,

 Which part is unbelievable to  you?

 K.

  

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steve(at)newtech.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

Bob Collins wrote:

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 It's getting to the point where it'd be cheaper to drive out and rent a

 UHaul trailer. 



 Of just move to Oregon (g)

   

Or, Van could move his operation somewhere a little more centrally 
	


located.  Like, say, Evansville, Indiana 



Steve Eberhart

RV-7A, tying up all of the loose ends, finish line is in sight.

Skylane Airport (3EV), Evansville, Indiana

wgill10(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

Is it being delivered to your home or the terminal? Retrieving the kit

shipments from the local (or nearest) trucking terminal can save you a

bundle.



Bill



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wmjack1(at)t3cs.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

I don't know if it will help, but just for the heck of it, why don't you try

getting a quote from a freight consolidator/forwarder such as

www.efreightline.com?  When I needed to ship engine parts from Little Rock, AR

to Connecticut a few months ago, this company was able to negotiate a much

better price than I could. When I get ready to order my 9A Finish kit later this

year, that is what I will be doing (again.) Good luck.



Jack Hilditch

RV-9A Wings done, Emp. Done, 

Fuse past boat stage, 

working on engine & electrics.



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Mark Phillips in TN

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 431
Location: Columbia, TN

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

In a message dated 01/07/2008 10:44:54 PM Central Standard Time, wgill10(at)comcast.net writes:

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		  Retrieving the kit

shipments from the local (or nearest) trucking terminal can save you a

bundle. 	


 Ya got that right!  Plus, unloading a semi at home can be a major hassle unless you have a forklift handy- REALLY bad if the truck can't negotiate your driveway and wants it unloaded at the street.  I've collected my big stuff at the terminal in Nashville where they can easily fork it onto the bed of a pickup or trailer, making it much easier to deal with back at the shop.  Another option is Tony Partain- have you given him a holler?

  

 Mark



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Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

$700+ to deliver a box from Oregon to  Georgia.  I have a friend here who works for Caterpillar Tractor.   They have 7 ton excavators delivered from Washington State to Florida for  less.

  

 Bret 

  

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Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

I would save $70 by picking it up at the terminal in Chattanooga... 80 miles 

away.



Bret



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brucerv84us(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

Bret,

WOW! I really feel for you. I know the shipping companies need to make money but that is crazy. $700.00 could go to good use on some more airplane goodies. I was fortunate enough to kill to birds with one trip during Thanksgiving. I drove the family up to Beaverton,OR for Thanksgiving this year(her side) which happens to be 25 minutes from Aurora(factory). So the 10 1/2 hours up and the same back with a fuel cost of just under 300.00 put my finishing kit safe in the garage. It is nice to be somewhat local to factory for reasons like shipping. 

But all in all look at the airplane you'll have when done and the 700+ dollars spent on shipping will be a long lost memory. 

Luck you don't live overseas and have to pay tax/duties and whatever else at you for wanting to build your own airplane.

Good luck with the project!

 

Bruce Gray

RV8 Fuse

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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

Bret,

 I did forget I had my fuse shipped to the FedEx terminal local and pick it up there. Saved about a 100.00 for 40 mile drive. Only thing was I had to unload the whole thing when I got home because of the weight. Worth the 100.00 because it was like Christmas for 2 hours.

 Take care,

 Bruce G.



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 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:40:34 -0500

 

 --> RV-List message posted by: "Bret Smith" <smithhb(at)tds.net>

 

 Well, it looks like I win the prize! I just called Ann at Vans since my

 finish kit ships this week. I asked her who she had it scheduled with for

 shipping and the cost and she told me ABF for $787.00!

 

 I asked her to get a quote from several others and about a half-hour later

 she called me back. The best price to ship from Aurora, OR to Mineral Bluff,

 GA is $710 using FedEx Freight.

 

 Unbelievable!

 

 

 Bret Smith

 RV-9A N16BL

 Blue Ridge, Ga

 www.FlightInnovations.com

 

 

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Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

Thanks Jack, I checked with efreightline and they quoted $515.00.  I'm going 

with them if Vans hasn't shipped it yet... Waiting for Vans to open....



I owe you a cold one...or two



Bret Smith

RV-9A "Fuselage"

Blue Ridge, GA

www.FlightInnovations.com



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Rick Galati

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Lake St. Louis MO.

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

It has been my experience (twice) that the finish kit is more expensive to ship because the materials are declared "plastic" as opposed to the other kits in which the materials are declared "bar and angle stock."  To further complicate it, I called Van's to complain about the RV-8 finish kit shipping cost after ABS reweighed the crate while it was enroute and determined it was lighter than stated and ABS then tagged on an additional $150!   I asked Van's why they didn't just stick a lead weight in there to meet minimum weight standards and was told by deleting the landing gear (I went with Grove) the RV-8 finish crate becomes significantly lighter and they have had many complaints in the past.  When I then asked why they didn't just stick a lead weight in the crate or declare the contents bar and angle stock, they laughed and said they thought about doing that but it is illegal. 

   

  Rick Galati  RV-6A  "Darla!"

  RV-8 wiring

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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

This  reweighing and freight reclassification is a Freight Industry thing.  The  freight haulers have more ways to extract additional fees out of shippers than  an RV builder has rivets.  There is a whole art to it.  We ship a few  common carrier freight shipments a week and if we don't go to the National Motor  Freight Classification book (about 3" thick) and find an appropriate  Classification and then describe it accurately, the shipping company will assign  an arbitrary Classification of 150 or even 250 to it instead of the 50 or 65  that is appropriate.  The reason this is important is the Classification is  used as a multiplier.  After they add up the weight and the distance, then  they multiply it by the Classification, so Class 150 will cost three times as  much as Class 50.    

  

 And  then, we get into weight density....  If the package is too light, they  charge you extra.  If the package is too heavy, they charge you  extra.  We joke that the freight is free, but they make their money on the  penalties, adders and fuel surcharge.  Can you fight it---absolutely, but  remember, its only $150 and you only live so long, so you have to pick your  fights, and I'm not sure this is a good one.  If you really want to get  outraged, look carefully at your phone bill!!!

  

 Chuck Jensen  

 

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acepilot(at)bloomer.net
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

What would be illegal about shipping some lead weight?  Is it because it 

might then be considered a hazardous material???  Maybe they could throw 

in some rebar or such...



Scott

http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/

Gotta Fly or Gonna Die

Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)



Rick Galati wrote:



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		   It has been my experience (twice) that the finish kit is more 

 expensive to ship because the materials are declared "plastic" as 

 opposed to the other kits in which the materials are declared "bar and 

 angle stock."  To further complicate it, I called Van's to complain 

 about the RV-8 finish kit shipping cost after ABS reweighed the crate 

 while it was enroute and determined it was lighter than stated and ABS 

 then tagged on an additional $150!   I asked Van's why they didn't 

 just stick a lead weight in there to meet minimum weight standards 

 and was told by deleting the landing gear (I went with Grove) the RV-8 

 finish crate becomes significantly lighter and they have had many 

 complaints in the past.  When I then asked why they didn't just stick 

 a lead weight in the crate or declare the contents bar and angle 

 stock, they laughed and said they thought about doing that but it is 

 illegal.

  

 Rick Galati RV-6A  "Darla!"

 RV-8 wiring

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

SeaLand tried that Schipt on me 28 years ago, when I had a house kit 

shipped to me in two vans. 35 ft vans were specified by the shipper. Sea 

Land didn't have any available at the time, so said they would supply 40 

ft vans at same price. So they arrive, and they call us for payment 

prior to delivery. Then they call me back, say they determined the 

longer vans would be an extra $1500. I told them it was between them and 

the shipper, and if they didn't resolve it at no cost to me, I would 

refuse the entire shipment and they could do whatever they wanted with 

it.  (also called shipper and advised them of the bait and switch) Took 

2 days for them to cave and deliver. It cost me dearly schedule-wise, 

but was worth it. Since the shipper was a good customer, they weren't 

about to risk losing their business.

Chuck Jensen wrote:

[quote] This reweighing and freight reclassification is a Freight Industry thing.  The freight haulers have more ways to extract additional fees out of shippers than an RV builder has rivets.  There is a whole art to it.  We ship a few common carrier freight shipments a week and if we don't go to the National Motor Freight Classification book (about 3" thick) and find an appropriate Classification and then describe it accurately, the shipping company will assign an arbitrary Classification of 150 or even 250 to it instead of the 50 or 65 that is appropriate.  The reason this is important is the Classification is used as a multiplier.  After they add up the weight and the distance, then they multiply it by the Classification, so Class 150 will cost three times as much as Class 50.    

  

 And then, we get into weight density....  If the package is too light, they charge you extra.  If the package is too heavy, they charge you extra.  We joke that the freight is free, but they make their money on the penalties, adders and fuel surcharge.  Can you fight it---absolutely, but remember, its only $150 and you only live so long, so you have to pick your fights, and I'm not sure this is a good one.  If you really want to get outraged, look carefully at your phone bill!!!

  

 Chuck Jensen 



  



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dhall(at)donka.net
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

I had a negative experience with ABF.  Terrible service, and they tried to

jack the price on me claiming Van's had misweighed the package.  I had to

sick Van's on them to convince them to reweigh the box without a 200 pound

thumb on the scale.

******************************************

 Don Hall                  

 N517DG (registered)  

 rv7 finishing

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Rick Galati

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Lake St. Louis MO.

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

 	  dhall(at)donka.net wrote: 	
		  I had a negative experience with ABF.  Terrible service, ..........Don Hall 	


Consistent with the terrible service and shoddy reputation that ABF seems to have earned is my first hand experience. Not only is ABF  expensive, but it seems the company does not understand nor really care about the difference between right side up and sideways.  Imagine my surprise when standing outside the ABS truck with a digital camera in hand, this was my very first view of the RV-8 fuselage kit!  By the way, the home delivery cost extra.

dwight(at)openweave.org
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

On the flip side ... I have had two very positive experiences with

ABF. One in particular had nice surprises associated with it. When I

had the QB fuselage shipped to me they re-weighed it, noticed it was

less than the declared weight by a few hundred pounds, and _lowered_

the price for shipping. I was at first confused by the bill presented

to me at the freight dock, then happily surprised.



It was still VERY expensive to ship though ... needless to say.



Yellow Freight, on the other hand, mis-handled my engine badly enough

to break the tie-down strap inside the crate and caused one of the

valve covers to end up being dented in. Nicely enough Superior sent

me a replacement valve cover with -zero- hesitation. Fortunately no

other damage was done to the engine.



  -- Dwight



On Tue Jan  8 23:17:56 2008, Don Hall wrote :

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I had a negative experience with ABF.  Terrible service, and they tried to

jack the price on me claiming Van's had misweighed the package.  I had to

sick Van's on them to convince them to reweigh the box without a 200 pound

thumb on the scale.

cjensen(at)dts9000.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week

While I railed about the freight industry's pricing practices, one area where there is justification for extra charges is home delivery.  When they deliver to a business, there are loading docks, forklifts and extra hands.  When they deliver to a home, they are met with a blank stare and a look of oooooo-mmmmmyyyyy-gawwwd.  Instead of a turn around of 5 minutes, the offloading takes much longer and time is money for them as it is for everyone.  So if saving a hundred bucks is worth the trip to the terminal, do so--it'll make you happy and the freight company as well.



Chuck Jensen

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