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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:27 am Post subject: ELTs and other safety devices

Hello Carlos,



  Thanks for the reply, Carlos, but I wasn't questioning the logics of whether or not to have an ELT.  I was asking "IF" we had to have one, since there were those that said the ELTs were practically useless.  And if they are that useless, then what can I use to replace them (legally) with?



  I am reasonably familiar with ELTs, and pretty much know their intended value.  But I also know they don't seem to perform worth a damn in many cases.  As someone pointed out, the S & R teams have found OTHER airplane crash sites (that most likely had ELTs go off) while they were out looking for poor old Steve Fossett.  Where in the heck is he, anyway!!!??



  And remember a few years ago about that nutjob that deliberately crashed his F-16 into the mountains of Colorado.  If I recall correctly, it took them almost a month to find this dweeb.



  What I would like is a device that does what you'd expect it to do, works EVERY time, and is legal.



  God forbid, if any of us ever went down in the middle of no-where, we'd like to be that lucky fella on the evening news, climbing out of a helicopter, after being rescued.



  And, as a matter of practice, I generally ask for "Flight Following" from the local ATC folks, on long distance trips.  For me, it is comforting to know someone has a little bit of an idea of where I am, besides me.  This is why I will also be installing a Mode C transponder (with altitude reporting) in my MkIII.



Mike Welch  MkIII, getting its Poly Fiber look, finally.



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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: ELTs and other safety devices

This is why I will also be installing a Mode C transponder (with altitude 

reporting) in my MkIII.>>



Hi Mike

strange is it not that in this country we will almost certainly be forced to 

fit transponders, by a European directive, in the very near future and 

everyone is fighting it tooth and nail. We regard it as an imposed expense, 

a weight problem when so many ultralights are are within a whisker of the 

limit, and a furthur incursion into our rapidly diminishing `freedom of the 

air`.

Perhaps too it is a reflection of the type of country we generally fly over. 

Unless you happened to go down in the mountains of Wales or Scotland you 

would be hard pressed to find an area where someone didn`t see you land. On 

the the other hand only a few years ago the wreckage of a Spitfire was found 

within 20 miles of London which had been there since 1940.



This had been a most interesting thread. I was undr the impression that once 

an ELT was activated recue reaction would be almost immediate. It seems not.



Cheers



Pat

slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: ELTs and other safety devices

Pat/all,  I have a new, unused ELT, still in the box, somewhere on  

the KolbRack in the shop.

I rarely think about it except during list conversations on the subject.

I subdue an inner chuckle, thinking that by the time I actually  

install it, it will be obsolete

(but still mandatory???)

If it retains its position of being a legal gadget, by virtue of the  

grandfather status, it will be easy to

"install" it retroactively on a blank area in the logbook, dated  

appropriately.



Same thing with conventional gear write offs.....  enter a couple  

hours of taildragger time

in the wayback machine, in one of your dusty old logbooks, like say,  

1975 or so.  



-anonymouse.



On 11, Jan 2008, at 12:53 PM, pj.ladd wrote:



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 This is why I will also be installing a Mode C transponder (with  

 altitude reporting) in my MkIII.>>



 Hi Mike

 strange is it not that in this country we will almost certainly be  

 forced to fit transponders, by a European directive, in the very  

 near future and everyone is fighting it tooth and nail. We regard  

 it as an imposed expense, a weight problem when so many ultralights  

 are are within a whisker of the limit, and a furthur incursion into  

 our rapidly diminishing `freedom of the air`.

 Perhaps too it is a reflection of the type of country we generally  

 fly over. Unless you happened to go down in the mountains of Wales  

 or Scotland you would be hard pressed to find an area where someone  

 didn`t see you land. On the the other hand only a few years ago the  

 wreckage of a Spitfire was found within 20 miles of London which  

 had been there since 1940.



 This had been a most interesting thread. I was undr the impression  

 that once an ELT was activated recue reaction would be almost  

 immediate. It seems not.



 Cheers



 Pat

Michael Sharp

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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: ELTs and other safety devices

Bob,



I like the way you think... 



The list DH will probably come out of hiding and have something to say

now!!!   LOL

Mike

Oak Grove Missouri

Mark III Classic (one of the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs Suzuki G13B 1.3L -

0hrs Started with Big Lar still behind... 

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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: Re: ELTs and other safety devices

I have an ELT because I "HAVE TO"

 Your statement about the plane was wrong...



It was a A-10  "Warthog"

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  Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz" in MN



 	  mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote: 	
		  Hello Carlos,



  

  And remember a few years ago about that nutjob that deliberately crashed his F-16 into the mountains of Colorado.  If I recall correctly, it took them almost a month to find this dweeb.



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JetPilot

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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: ELTs and other safety devices

 	  mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote: 	
		  



What I would like is a device that does what you'd expect it to do, works EVERY time, and is legal.



	




NOTHING works EVERY time.   With expectations like that, you better not get into aviation.



As far as ELT's, they are very good.   You seem to have gotten the idea from somewhere that ELT's rarely work, which is pure BS.   If the ELT does not activate by itself, you can flip a switch and activate it manually.  If the crash was so severe as to destroy your ELT, you would have died 10 times over anyways, so it will not be an issue.



 	  mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote: 	
		  



the S & R teams have found OTHER airplane crash sites (that most likely had ELTs go off)



	




I fly for the airlines, and a good percentage of airline pilots listen to 121.5 in the cruise portion of flight.  That equates to thousands flights monitoring ELT's all day, ever day, in ADDITION to the satellites.  Unless you crash in the south pole, someone is going to hear your ELT very quickly and report it to air traffic control.   It seems that you don't know as much about ELT's as you think you do....   If you are looking for something that works EVERY time, then you better not leave your living room, no chance of becomming lost while sitting on your couch.



Mike

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biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: ELTs and other safety devices

Migawd, I thought I was forgotten by now.    Vamoose is living in its' trailer at Santa Fe airport and is lonesome but not forgotten.  Too durned cold and too broke to work on it right yet.                  Lar.              Do not Archive.

 

 Kolbdriver wrote: [quote]   [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com> (kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com)  Bob,  I like the way you think...     The list DH will probably come out of hiding and have something to say now!!!   LOL   Mike Oak Grove Missouri Mark III Classic (one of the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs Suzuki G13B 1.3L - 0hrs Started with Big Lar still behind...  Do not archive   --

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Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk IIIC
"Vamoose"

planecrazzzy
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: ELTs and other safety devices

No Big Lar,

                Your NOT forgotten....

We just "whisper" Vamoose now.....



 Gotta Fly...

 Mike & "Jaz" in MN



PS  Will I  "Beat Big Lar in da Air"   With my SECOND plane too ???

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="biglar"]Migawd, I thought I was forgotten by now.    Vamoose is living in its' trailer at Santa Fe airport and is lonesome but not forgotten.  Too durned cold and too broke to work on it right yet.                  Lar.              Do not Archive.

 

 Kolbdriver wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver> (kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com)  Bob,  I like the way you think...     The list DH will probably come out of hiding and have something to say now!!!   LOL   Mike Oak Grove Missouri Mark III Classic (one of the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs Suzuki G13B 1.3L - 0hrs Started with Big Lar still behind...  Do not archive   --

russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: ELTs and other safety devices

BIG LAR

WE'D NEVER FORGET YOU!-- NOR VAMOOSE!!

YOU'RE COLD & BROKE? SOUNDS FAMILIAR -- OR WAS THAT AN  OLD GIRL FRIEND?

On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:13 PM, planecrazzzy wrote:

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 No Big Lar,

                 Your NOT forgotten....

 We just "whisper" Vamoose now.....

  Gotta Fly...

  Mike & "Jaz" in MN

 PS  Will I  "Beat Big Lar in da Air"   With my SECOND plane too ???

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 [quote="biglar"]Migawd, I thought I was forgotten by now.     

 Vamoose is living in its' trailer at Santa Fe airport and is  

 lonesome but not forgotten.  Too durned cold and too broke to work  

 on it right yet.                  Lar.              Do not Archive.

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> have something to say now!!!   LOL   Mike Oak Grove Missouri Mark  

> III Classic (one of the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs Suzuki G13B 1.3L  

> - 0hrs Started with Big Lar still behind...  Do not archive   --

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biglar

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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: ELTs and other safety devices

Her, too.  Them, too ??  Yah..........                Do not Archive.



Russ Kinne wrote:

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 BIG LAR

 WE'D NEVER FORGET YOU!-- NOR VAMOOSE!!

 YOU'RE COLD & BROKE? SOUNDS FAMILIAR -- OR WAS THAT AN  OLD GIRL FRIEND?



 On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:13 PM, planecrazzzy wrote:



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> No Big Lar,

>                 Your NOT forgotten....

> We just "whisper" Vamoose now.....

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>  Gotta Fly...

>  Mike & "Jaz" in MN

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> PS  Will I  "Beat Big Lar in da Air"   With my SECOND plane too ???

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> [quote="biglar"]Migawd, I thought I was forgotten by now.    

> Vamoose is living in its' trailer at Santa Fe airport and is lonesome 

> but not forgotten.  Too durned cold and too broke to work on it right 

> yet.                  Lar.              Do not Archive.

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>> (kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com)  Bob,  I like the way you think...     

>> The list DH will probably come out of hiding and have something to 

>> say now!!!   LOL   Mike Oak Grove Missouri Mark III Classic (one of 

>> the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs Suzuki G13B 1.3L - 0hrs Started with 

>> Big Lar still behind...  Do not archive   --

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Santa Fe, NM

Building Kolb Mk III

"Vamoose"

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