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Ed Anderson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 475

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

I recently went through three years of fight with the tax  man due to a quirk of Zip code zoning and the FAA (apparently in complying with  the demand of states who want to tax your airplane) that some of you may want to  know about.

  

 The adjacent county has a large city with the typical  heavy tax burden on its citizens - three years ago I started receiving  a tax notice for some unspecified personal  property  that supposedly resided in their county.

  

 It took me two years to discover that the personal  properly they were trying to tax was indeed my aircraft.  Despite   correspondence with the tax authorities to the effect that I was not/had never  been a resident and did not/never had any personal property in their  county.  The harassment persisted.  I then went to the on-line  aircraft registration data and sure enough - the FAA had put my aircraft in  their county!!!

  

 To make a long, long story shorter, it turns out that even  thought there was no place on the FAA aircraft registration form for county, the  FAA decided to added it to your registration record based on your postal zip  code.  Now, normally that probably works OK, but in my case, and I suspect  others out there it turns out my postal zip code is for a town in the adjacent  county - yep,  the high tax zone.  They scanned the FAA registration  rolls for their county and got a hit on me.  

  

 I finally got the FAA to change my aircraft registration  county to the correct county, but am still being pestered by the tax  authorities.  If this does not change by next tax year, I am  considering a harassment lawsuit against the tax authority - Yes, its  changed in the FAA records, but it is probably forever embedded in this  county's tax computer {:<(.   

  

 So the message is -  check your aircraft registration  data on file at the FAA  http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_inquiry.asp

  

 to make certain the information reflects the correct  county (or any other pertinent information)  for your aircraft (this  assumes you want it to reflect the correct information  {:>)) 

  

 FWIW   Do Not Archive 

  

 Ed   

  

  

  

  

 Ed Anderson

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Matthews,  NC

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Joined: 14 Nov 2007
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Location: Chesterfield, MO

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

Ed -



Excellent point.  The FAA updates there records much faster now and it is very important to check to see they get it right.  This includes your airman record.  About 2 years ago they started "red flagging" registrations that were not completed properly.  If a registration is incomplete or has an error they will attach a warning on it.  I think (not confirmed) they require any inconsistencies to be cleared up or you could face a violation - not sure how severe, but possible. 



While we are on the topic of registrations, everyone should also remember the name and address on your registration should match your insurance policy.  It makes it that much easier in the event of a claim or loss.



$0.02 from the insurance guy.

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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

Hi Ed,  

   

I just checked mine and sure enough they have the wrong county on mine as well.  My address is actually the neighbor town where the post office is, but I actually live in a different town and county.  

   

What did you have to do to cause the FAA to correct the record?  

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Tim  

           

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson

 Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:36 PM

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 Subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes  

  

     

I recently went through three years of fight with the tax man due to a quirk of Zip code zoning and the FAA (apparently in complying with the demand of states who want to tax your airplane) that some of you may want to know about.  

    

   

    

The adjacent county has a large city with the typical heavy tax burden on its citizens - three years ago I started receiving a tax notice for some unspecified personal  property  that supposedly resided in their county.  

    

   

    

It took me two years to discover that the personal properly they were trying to tax was indeed my aircraft.  Despite  correspondence with the tax authorities to the effect that I was not/had never been a resident and did not/never had any personal property in their county.  The harassment persisted.  I then went to the on-line aircraft registration data and sure enough - the FAA had put my aircraft in their county!!!  

    

   

    

To make a long, long story shorter, it turns out that even thought there was no place on the FAA aircraft registration form for county, the FAA decided to added it to your registration record based on your postal zip code.  Now, normally that probably works OK, but in my case, and I suspect others out there it turns out my postal zip code is for a town in the adjacent county - yep,  the high tax zone.  They scanned the FAA registration rolls for their county and got a hit on me.    

    

   

    

I finally got the FAA to change my aircraft registration county to the correct county, but am still being pestered by the tax authorities.  If this does not change by next tax year, I am considering a harassment lawsuit against the tax authority - Yes, its changed in the FAA records, but it is probably forever embedded in this county's tax computer {:<(.     

    

   

    

So the message is -  check your aircraft registration data on file at the FAA  http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_inquiry.asp  

    

   

    

to make certain the information reflects the correct county (or any other pertinent information)  for your aircraft (this assumes you want it to reflect the correct information {:>))   

    

   

    

FWIW   Do Not Archive   

    

   

    

Ed     

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

Ed Anderson

 Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered

 Matthews, NC

 eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com (eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com)

 http://www.andersonee.com

 http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

On 14:32 2008-01-25 "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> wrote:

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		   I just checked mine and sure enough they have the wrong county on

 mine as well.  My address is actually the neighbor town where the

 post office is, but I actually live in a different town and county.


	


Make sure the correct one has a lower tax rate before you switch... 



-Rob

Ed Anderson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

Tim, someplace on the FAA cite there is an e mail form to  contact the airman's registration branch.  However, here is the e mail  address from which I was contacted by the FAA and told they had corrected the  error.  You might try it or search their site - I can't seem to locate the  e mail form on a quick look.

  

 9-AMC-AFS750-Aircraft/AMC/FAA(at)FAA ([email]9-AMC-AFS750-Aircraft/AMC/FAA(at)FAA[/email])

  

 Ed

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Ed Anderson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 475

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

-List message posted by: "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca>

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 On 14:32 2008-01-25 "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> wrote:

> I just checked mine and sure enough they have the wrong county on

> mine as well.  My address is actually the neighbor town where the

> post office is, but I actually live in a different town and county.

 Make sure the correct one has a lower tax rate before you switch... 

 -Rob

  A good point Rob, had not the county I resided in with my aircraft not had 

a much lower tax rate - I, urhmm... might not been as vigorous in having the 

record corrected {:>).  But, ultimately, you could have two tax authorities 

after your $$$.  In several local counties, the local government has sent 

forms to each airport manager requiring them to list all aircraft that 

reside on the airport.  My airport manager recently received such a form and 

apparently feels legally bound to comply with it.

Ed

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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

On a similar note... several years back I started receiving property tax

notices for a plane I had tied down at our local airport. You know the

typical row of bug smashers left exposed to the elements. It turns out

that every year between 12/15 and 12/31 a tax assessor drives the

airport writing down all tail numbers. I am sure they connect the dots

as to the owners and schedule a property tax bill. 

A year later I sold that plane and purchased a big hangar that now has 3

of my 5 planes (don't ask...) I have never received a tax bill for these

aircraft simply because my N Numbers are out of sight. 

Basically all the small, relatively inexpensive aircraft owners are

being taxed while all the expensive iron sitting in their comfy, clean

hangars get a free ride.

Obviously some of the hangar owners are paying the proper aircraft taxes

but who knows.

We need a radically simplified tax system.



Robin

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Bob Perkinson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 51
Location: Hendersonville, Tennessee

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

How about No Tax, at all.  We now pay tax upon tax,  tax on the fuel we burn, tax on the truck the delivers the fuel, tax on the fuel that the trucked used to bring the fuel,  tax on the tires that the truck that delivered the fuel. the refinery that produced the fuel is taxed, along with the men and equipment that is used to make the fuel.  Taxed on the raw fuel so as to be able to bring it into the country. not to mention all the other taxes that are applied to some of the avionics,  some where their prob is a break down of how much tax and the percentages played would the value be.



do not archive

Bob perkinson

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From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>

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 On a similar note... several years back I started receiving property tax

 notices for a plane I had tied down at our local airport. You know the

 typical row of bug smashers left exposed to the elements. It turns out

 that every year between 12/15 and 12/31 a tax assessor drives the

 airport writing down all tail numbers. I am sure they connect the dots

 as to the owners and schedule a property tax bill. 

 A year later I sold that plane and purchased a big hangar that now has 3

 of my 5 planes (don't ask...) I have never received a tax bill for these

 aircraft simply because my N Numbers are out of sight. 

 Basically all the small, relatively inexpensive aircraft owners are

 being taxed while all the expensive iron sitting in their comfy, clean

 hangars get a free ride.

 Obviously some of the hangar owners are paying the proper aircraft taxes

 but who knows.

 We need a radically simplified tax system.

 

 Robin

 Panel almost here!

 Do Not Archive

mbick(at)carolina.rr.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

> -Rob

       >

        A good point Rob, had not the  county I resided in with my aircraft not had 

       a much lower tax rate - I, urhmm... might not been as vigorous in having the  

      record corrected {:>).  But,  ultimately, you could have two tax authorities  

      after your $$$.  In several local  counties, the local government has sent 

      forms  to each airport manager requiring them to list all aircraft that  

      reside on the airport.  My airport  manager recently received such a form and 

       apparently feels legally bound to comply with  it.

      

      Ed  



     I know the evil airport  manager Ed refers to ..  Yes sadly I am legally bound to report it or the  airport is responsible for the taxes plus 250 fine for each occurrence. I Like  Ed for he is a very likable person but I don't like him so much so that I want  to pay his taxes for him.

       When I received  notice I was at first dumbfounded then I was PISSED. I thought why is it I have  to do the county's dirty work? I called a lawyer and I contacted a federal  authority for surely this insanity could not be true. They both said yes and  pointed to the NC statue (G.S.105-316 subsection a 3) and the fact that it has  been upheld since the 50’s. Like boat storage owners and mobile home parks, the  county doesn't want you to hide your assets and wants their money. The Irony in  this, you realize a Private Airport Owner has to collect information for and pay  taxes that will not be providing any assistance to the private owner and to be  used to compete against them making all but impossible to run a private/public  airport unless they have owned the land for years. But that is a whole other  thread and I am sure Private Airport owners are not alone.  

    I went on to contact the county tax manager explaining to  her that there was no need for me to supply that, for the information was  already there and she told me: "I don't have access to that". I explained to her  everyone has access to that. The FAA puts the information (albeit sometimes  incorrect) up on their web site for everyone to query.  She said that is  not the way they do it and to send in the hand written form they sent to me.  

    I hated doing so for I caught a lot of grief from a few  for asking for it, some flat out refused to do so. I can't blame them for it is  really none of my business but the government makes me do so. So Ed I apologize  for that.  



    

  

   Mike

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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

Easily arranged. All you have to do is decide what services you personally

receive that you're willing to give up and start making calls. Folks usually

want to take away something others are getting, but it'd be more effective

if folks organize to give back benefits they receive.

Do not archive.





How about No Tax, at all.  We now pay tax upon tax,  tax on the fuel we

burn, tax on the truck the delivers the fuel, tax on the fuel that the

trucked used to bring the fuel,  tax on the tires that the truck that

delivered the fuel. the refinery that produced the fuel is taxed, along with

the men and equipment that is used to make the fuel.  Taxed on the raw fuel

so as to be able to bring it into the country. not to mention all the other

taxes that are applied to some of the avionics,  some where their prob is a

break down of how much tax and the percentages played would the value be.



do not archive

Bob perkinson

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 

 

 On a similar note... several years back I started receiving property 

 tax notices for a plane I had tied down at our local airport. You know 

 the typical row of bug smashers left exposed to the elements. It turns 

 out that every year between 12/15 and 12/31 a tax assessor drives the 

 airport writing down all tail numbers. I am sure they connect the dots 

 as to the owners and schedule a property tax bill.

 A year later I sold that plane and purchased a big hangar that now has 

 3 of my 5 planes (don't ask...) I have never received a tax bill for 

 these aircraft simply because my N Numbers are out of sight.

 Basically all the small, relatively inexpensive aircraft owners are 

 being taxed while all the expensive iron sitting in their comfy, clean 

 hangars get a free ride.

 Obviously some of the hangar owners are paying the proper aircraft 

 taxes but who knows.

 We need a radically simplified tax system.

 

 Robin

 Panel almost here!

 Do Not Archive

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Ed Anderson

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Posts: 475

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

No Problem, Mike.

  

 If I did refer to the "Evil" airport manager it was an  unintentionally slip {:>) - actually, our airport manage is not a bad guy -  even if he wouldn't pay my taxes.

  

  

 Ed

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

"wants their money"



I would it is not there money it is YOURS and they TAKE/steal it!

 

Mike Divan

N64GH - RV6,flying 

SLOW 7 Builder 

EAA - 577486

FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS!



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Bob Collins

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Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes

// I would  it is not there money it is YOURS and they TAKE/steal it!

 

 // FREEDOM IS NOT FREE -  THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS!

   

 Couldn't ignore the  irony (g)

  

 do not  arcxhive



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