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 Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question (my post , read or delete |
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Hello Friends.
This tread has been in the list for years... And W W keeps making parts for such a great engine. at its own pace, like the battery rabbit.
I was not going to post about this, but could not resist  Probably I am completly wrong but I feel this way.
Personal note to clarify my position:
In our present case we are not using the WW Corvair conversion in our 601XL, reason is that we were building our kit, with no engine decision yet (as most of the list remember, from my posts). A couple of months ago, when we were building, a local pilot came to our shop to see how a Zenith kit was built (he was one point short to order a kit itself).
He got in love with the plane and bought our project on the spot, with the condition that we will finish the plane for him... He chossed the Jab 3300 as a powerplant (great engine in fact)...
Now back to WW.
I have been in Ultralight- Homebuilding since 1982, lots of companies (with good faith all, or most of them) have open and closed their doors in the auto engine conversion dream.
We all dream to have the perfect auto conversion: Powerfull, inexpensive, low GPH regular auto fuel, light weight with in reason, off the shelf spare parts, etc. Yes I know, is almost impossible, the ones that still are in business all have something "not perfect" in their engine conversion, but can for sure be flown in a safe way.
One thing I am sure with WW (I dont have the honor of meet him in person yet) but read about him since his first articles in the magazines (?year).
What I can tell you is that I am sure that all of us (low buck homebuilders) we have in them (WW and TEAM) one of the hand full most honest group of persons in that business.
Their only problem (personal opinion) is that probably they dont charge enough as their product (parts amd knowlege) is worth,,, (Low price engine goal)
There are two sides of having a succesfull company (and lots ways in betwen).
One that makes lots of money, no matter sometimes how and what, and another one that keeps first class quality first of all, even with income sacrifice,
For this last ones, their word and prestige is more important that money . Also some of this "Self made CEOs" find the BIG problem that they (and team) need to learn to manage a new born business and at the same time continue to develope their good products with low competitive price in mind... Two Very diferent Goals with few personel.
Now Closing: I only hope that we all have the patience to give them a chance, in the mean time they learn to grow as a succesfull company (as big as they feel confortable).
Is not an easy task in either part (we or them), but at least we, with the size of our wallets, have other more expensive engine options
They dont, they will keep their good, hard, honest work, with us or without us buying.
Now as you say in USA: Off the soap box
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
701 912S, builsing 601XL Jab 3300
"Important bonus: We also have the luck to build our kits from another Honest Team: The Heintz family"
Larry H <skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | William did respond with another email to me, asking me the person's name that had made these statements to me. I gave William the name. William told me he would personally look into it and resolve this immediately. He said there should be no reason WHY this person would be saying this - if he owes him parts, he will do his best to clear this up.
William did also say that they have updated their webpage. As for those of us waiting on conversion manuals, William told me they are making a updates to them and would ship them out as soon as they are done. If you also ordered the CH601 installation manual along with the conversion manual, they usually ship them together, so hold tight and wait a bit longer please....they ARE coming soon!
Larry
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question (my post , read or delete |
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Gary,
?Como estas? You are absolutely right. William Wynne is still in business because he sells inexpensive, excellent, tested products. He is NOT a businessman. This is a hobby for him that just happens to produce some income. His passion is performing as the Corvair guru at his Corvair Colleges, which produces no income.
My only problem with William is that he will promise a delivery date of a product, knowing full well that he can't keep that promise. I have had him promise delivery five or six times, over a period of seven to nine months, before finally delivering. If he would just be honest about when he can actually deliver a product, all the controversy would go away, immediately.
Buenos dias - Jay in Dallas
Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Hello Friends.
This tread has been in the list for years... And W W keeps making parts for such a great engine. at its own pace, like the battery rabbit.
I was not going to post about this, but could not resist Probably I am completly wrong but I feel this way.
Personal note to clarify my position:
In our present case we are not using the WW Corvair conversion in our 601XL, reason is that we were building our kit, with no engine decision yet (as most of the list remember, from my posts). A couple of months ago, when we were building, a local pilot came to our shop to see how a Zenith kit was built (he was one point short to order a kit itself).
He got in love with the plane and bought our project on the spot, with the condition that we will finish the plane for him... He chossed the Jab 3300 as a powerplant (great engine in fact)...
Now back to WW.
I have been in Ultralight- Homebuilding since 1982, lots of companies (with good faith all, or most of them) have open and closed their doors in the auto engine conversion dream.
We all dream to have the perfect auto conversion: Powerfull, inexpensive, low GPH regular auto fuel, light weight with in reason, off the shelf spare parts, etc. Yes I know, is almost impossible, the ones that still are in business all have something "not perfect" in their engine conversion, but can for sure be flown in a safe way.
One thing I am sure with WW (I dont have the honor of meet him in person yet) but read about him since his first articles in the magazines (?year).
What I can tell you is that I am sure that all of us (low buck homebuilders) we have in them (WW and TEAM) one of the hand full most honest group of persons in that business.
Their only problem (personal opinion) is that probably they dont charge enough as their product (parts amd knowlege) is worth,,, (Low price engine goal)
There are two sides of having a succesfull company (and lots ways in betwen).
One that makes lots of money, no matter sometimes how and what, and another one that keeps first class quality first of all, even with income sacrifice,
For this last ones, their word and prestige is more important that money . Also some of this "Self made CEOs" find the BIG problem that they (and team) need to learn to manage a new born business and at the same time continue to develope their good products with low competitive price in mind... Two Very diferent Goals with few personel.
Now Closing: I only hope that we all have the patience to give them a chance, in the mean time they learn to grow as a succesfull company (as big as they feel confortable).
Is not an easy task in either part (we or them), but at least we, with the size of our wallets, have other more expensive engine options
They dont, they will keep their good, hard, honest work, with us or without us buying.
Now as you say in USA: Off the soap box
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
701 912S, builsing 601XL Jab 3300
"Important bonus: We also have the luck to build our kits from another Honest Team: The Heintz family"
Larry H <skyridersbn(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
William did respond with another email to me, asking me the person's name that had made these statements to me. I gave William the name. William told me he would personally look into it and resolve this immediately. He said there should be no reason WHY this person would be saying this - if he owes him parts, he will do his best to clear this up.
William did also say that they have updated their webpage. As for those of us waiting on conversion manuals, William told me they are making a updates to them and would ship them out as soon as they are done. If you also ordered the CH601 installation manual along with the conversion manual, they usually ship them together, so hold tight and wait a bit longer please....they ARE coming soon!
Larry
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Intro and William Wynn Question (my post , read or delete |
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Hi Jay,
Yes, is a very comun problem in most type of (little) business and also in our own lifes, to think (very optimistic) that things can be made in a second... Happens sometimes in my own factory and at home, Remember the last time any of us promised our lady to repair the driping fauset? could take 20 minutes to get the tools and repair it, but was done is about 5 week ends because something got in betwen 
One advise given to us by our uncle (when my brother and me were beguining our business in the 80's) was to make a deal at time, if we had 5 clients (prospects), not promising to all that will be done the same day, even if we think that we will loose one of twol if we promised a later programed delivery.
We knew that we could loose the 5th client to our competition... But at least the other 4 were serviced in time. The other way, at least 4 promised at the same time will not get their work that same moment.
Well, is easy to give advise to others, very dificult to listen and do it our selfs
My best wishes to William, Grace and Team, I realy hope to meet them some day, will be a great experience to talk to them in an informal way.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Do not archive.
Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
[quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist(at)cs.com
Gary,
?Como estas? You are absolutely right. William Wynne is still in business because he sells inexpensive, excellent, tested products. He is NOT a businessman. This is a hobby for him that just happens to produce some income. His passion is performing as the Corvair guru at his Corvair Colleges, which produces no income.
My only problem with William is that he will promise a delivery date of a product, knowing full well that he can't keep that promise. I have had him promise delivery five or six times, over a period of seven to nine months, before finally delivering. If he would just be honest about when he can actually deliver a product, all the controversy would go away, immediately.
Buenos dias - Jay in Dallas
Gary Gower wrote:
[quote]Hello Friends.
This tread has been in the list for years... And W W keeps making parts for such a great engine. at its own pace, like the battery rabbit.
I was not going to post about this, but could not resist Probably I am completly wrong but I feel this way.
Personal note to clarify my position:
In our present case we are not using the WW Corvair conversion in our 601XL, reason is that we were building our kit, with no engine decision yet (as most of the list remember, from my posts). A couple of months ago, when we were building, a local pilot came to our shop to see how a Zenith kit was built (he was one point short to order a kit itself).
He got in love with the plane and bought our project on the spot, with the condition that we will finish the plane for him... He chossed the Jab 3300 as a powerplant (great engine in fact)...
Now back to WW.
I have been in Ultralight- Homebuilding since 1982, lots of companies (with good faith all, or most of them) have open and closed their doors in the auto engine conversion dream.
We all dream to have the perfect auto conversion: Powerfull, inexpensive, low GPH regular auto fuel, light weight with in reason, off the shelf spare parts, etc. Yes I know, is almost impossible, the ones that still are in business all have something "not perfect" in their engine conversion, but can for sure be flown in a safe way.
One thing I am sure with WW (I dont have the honor of meet him in person yet) but read about him since his first articles in the magazines (?year).
What I can tell you is that I am sure that all of us (low buck homebuilders) we have in them (WW and TEAM) one of the hand full most honest group of persons in that business.
Their only problem (personal opinion) is that probably they dont charge enough as their product (parts amd knowlege) is worth,,, (Low price engine goal)
There are two sides of having a succesfull company (and lots ways in betwen).
One that makes lots of money, no matter sometimes how and what, and another one that keeps first class quality first of all, even with income sacrifice,
For this last ones, their word and prestige is more important that money . Also some of this "Self made CEOs" find the BIG problem that they (and team) need to learn to manage a new born business and at the same time continue to develope their good products with low competitive price in mind... Two Very diferent Goals with few personel.
Now Closing: I only hope that we all have the patience to give them a chance, in the mean time they learn to grow as a succesfull company (as big as they feel confortable).
Is not an easy task in either part (we or them), but at least we, with the size of our wallets, have other more expensive engine options
They dont, they will keep their good, hard, honest work, with us or without us buying.
Now as you say in USA: Off the soap box
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
701 912S, builsing 601XL Jab 3300
"Important bonus: We also have the luck to build our kits from another Honest Team: The Heintz family"
Larry H wrote:
William did respond with another email to me, asking me the person's name that had made these statements to me. I gave William the name. William told me he would personally look into it and resolve this immediately. He said there should be no reason WHY this person would be saying this - if he owes him parts, he will do his best to clear this up.
William did also say that they have updated their webpage. As for those of us waiting on conversion manuals, William told me they are making a updates to them and would ship them out as soon as they are done. If you also ordered the CH601 installation manual along with the conversion manual, they usually ship them together, so hold tight and wait a bit longer please....they ARE coming soon!
Larry
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