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 Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: Longer Wing |
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Brian- Why would they be doing a longer wing?
CD
--- Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
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Quote "Did you know there are no rudder stops to
limit rudder motion?" end quote
There are rudder stops. That's what the bulge on
the rudder with the flat edge does. I can't
remember if it touches on the horizontal or on the
vertical tail assembly, but when it's all together I
gaurantee there's a limit to rudder travel.
As far as the rest goes, I'm sure that you're right,
that one day that most Lightning's will have to be
built at home. At some point in the growth process
that will have to be the case as it's just not
feasable to have enough space and build assisstants
for a huge scale operation. I know that the current
build manuals were a lot to do with building the
prototype and therefore there are some differences,
but I'm willing to bet that Nick and Mark et al will
constantly be revising this document. The plane
itself is going through many changes. Small things
such as an updated and improved canopy latch system
to much bigger changes like a new and longer wing.
At some point it will be more smaller than larger
changes being made and will make keeping up with a
build manual much easier.
One thing that I would suggest would be to make the
build manual available online and all updates to be
saved online at the same time that they are saved to
the PC. This way the users at home can download
Revision XXX dated MM/DD/YYYY and know that they
have the latest and greatest, even if the kit takes
them a year or more to build. Having the Operating
Manual online would probably be nice too since a lot
of people want a peek at operating procedures and
testing data. I know that it's all easier said than
done, but I think would make for a user-friendly
company. There's still things that folks will find
or confuse I'm sure, but perhaps a good thing to
try. Brian W.
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:55:37 -0700From:
sales(at)billandruth.netTo: vettin74(at)yahoo.com;
mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.comSubject: The
Lightning Builder's Manual
Hi one and all,First, I want to say that at least
one at Arion got the humor in the "secret code
phrase" post regarding the builder's manual. That's
a good thing. However, this kit still lacks a
concerted effort to get the manual up to par with
the rest of the kit building providers out there.
The company's emphasis on builder's assistance in
the kit build process takes much of the fuss out of
the build and that is just fine. However, not
everyone can afford that route. Those of us who
want to build or who must build on our own, don't
have the benefit of the accumulated experience the
builder assist program provides. The manual and
tech support phone calls are our only recourse. I
called Arion about an elevator control horn install
question on Friday and there was not a single person
available because they all were in an engine clinic.
So, a wasted building weekend was the result.If the
Lightning is to be a real success with the kit
building community, a quality builder's manual has
to be produced and soon. Otherwise, problems in the
build process could very well start to become a
theme that will negatively impact sales. I know
that the company wants to place a higher priority on
getting this done. I've been told that several
times. But, lip service does not produce results.
Commitment to the builder/buyer does and it helps
everyone! The stand alone builder will eventually
dominate the build process, in my view, and more
Lightning sales will result because of that fact.
Consequently, he/she deserves much more
consideration and respect than is being provided
right now.I know that many of you on the "list" will
find this to be a very harsh criticism of Arion. I
am sorry that I may have offended you and them, if
that is the case. However, I believe that this kit
has got the potential to take a big chunk out of
Van's market share. There is a builder two hangars
down building an RV-7A and all he says when I
discuss a building issue with him is you don't have
plans and therefore you need a really good builder's
manual. I don't have an adequate response to that
comment.If the Lightning is going to really catch on
with those who have considered Van's kits, the
manual will need to be a much better product.I
highly encourage every stand alone builder to
contact Arion and communicate every single manual
deficiency you have encountered in the build process
and what you had to do to resolve the problem/s
encountered so far.I look forward to the day when
sixty Lighnings will arrive in mass at Air Venture
and give Van's "Air Force" a real run for their
money. That day will come much sooner when everyone
has access to a top-notch builder's manual.Enough
with the soap box, Bill with kit #49 in mid sixties
weather in Tucson still working on the elevator
control horn install (Did you know there are no
rudder stops to limit rudder motion?) 
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: Longer Wing |
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Charles,
They made an announcement, around Christmas time I believe that they will be doing a longer winged version of the Lightning. The results will be a smoother cross country ride, an ability for the sport model to come in at an even slower stalling speed, and a longer wing means larger ailerons, which means an even better roll rate. (which it'll need more aileron to get the same rate with the longer wing) From what I understand, the wing end caps, for those who didn't glass them on will be able to get just the new tips and new ailerons and do an "upgrade" to their plane after the fact. Pretty cool. Brian W.
| Quote: | Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:48:57 -0800
From: cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Lightning-List: Longer Wing
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
--> Lightning-List message posted by: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>
Brian- Why would they be doing a longer wing?
CD
--- Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Quote "Did you know there are no rudder stops to
> limit rudder motion?" end quote
>
> There are rudder stops. That's what the bulge on
> the rudder with the flat edge does. I can't
> remember if it touches on the horizontal or on the
> vertical tail assembly, but when it's all together I
> gaurantee there's a limit to rudder travel.
>
> As far as the rest goes, I'm sure that you're right,
> that one day that most Lightning's will have to be
> built at home. At some point in the growth process
> that will have to be the case as it's just not
> feasable to have enough space and build assisstants
> for a huge scale operation. I know that the current
> build manuals were a lot to do with building the
> prototype and therefore there are some differences,
> but I'm willing to bet that Nick and Mark et al will
> constantly be revising this document. The plane
> itself is going through many changes. Small things
> such as an updated and improved canopy latch system
> to much bigger changes like a new and longer wing.
> At some point it will be more smaller than larger
> changes being made and will make keeping up with a
> build manual much easier.
>
> One thing that I would suggest would be to make the
> build manual available online and all updates to be
> saved online at the same time that they are saved to
> the PC. This way the users at home can download
> Revision XXX dated MM/DD/YYYY and know that they
> have the latest and greatest, even if the kit takes
> them a year or more to build. Having the Operating
> Manual online would probably be nice too since a lot
> of people want a peek at operating procedures and
> testing data. I know that it's all easier said than
> done, but I think would make for a user-friendly
> company. There's still things that folks will find
> or confuse I'm sure, but perhaps a good thing to
> try. Brian W.
>
>
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:55:37 -0700From:
> sales(at)billandruth.netTo: vettin74(at)yahoo.com;
> mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.comSubject: The
> Lightning Builder's Manual
> Hi one and all,First, I want to say that at least
> one at Arion got the humor in the "secret code
> phrase" post regarding the builder's manual. That's
> a good thing. However, this kit still lacks a
> concerted effort to get the manual up to par with
> the rest of the kit building providers out there.
> The company's emphasis on builder's assistance in
> the kit build process takes much of the fuss out of
> the build and that is just fine. However, not
> everyone can afford that route. Those of us who
> want to build or who must build on our own, don't
> have the benefit of the accumulated experience the
> builder assist program provides. The manual and
> tech support phone calls are our only recourse. I
> called Arion about an elevator control horn install
> question on Friday and there was not a single person
> available because they all were in an engine clinic.
> So, a wasted building weekend was the result.If the
> Lightning is to be a real success with the kit
> building community, a quality builder's manual has
> to be produced and soon. Otherwise, problems in the
> build process could very well start to become a
> theme that will negatively impact sales. I know
> that the company wants to place a higher priority on
> getting this done. I've been told that several
> times. But, lip service does not produce results.
> Commitment to the builder/buyer does and it helps
> everyone! The stand alone builder will eventually
> dominate the build process, in my view, and more
> Lightning sales will result because of that fact.
> Consequently, he/she deserves much more
> consideration and respect than is being provided
> right now.I know that many of you on the "list" will
> find this to be a very harsh criticism of Arion. I
> am sorry that I may have offended you and them, if
> that is the case. However, I believe that this kit
> has got the potential to take a big chunk out of
> Van's market share. There is a builder two hangars
> down building an RV-7A and all he says when I
> discuss a building issue with him is you don't have
> plans and therefore you need a really good builder's
> manual. I don't have an adequate response to that
> comment.If the Lightning is going to really catch on
> with those who have considered Van's kits, the
> manual will need to be a much better product.I
> highly encourage every stand alone builder to
> contact Arion and communicate every single manual
> deficiency you have encountered in the build process
> and what you had to do to resolve the problem/s
> encountered so far.I look forward to the day when
> sixty Lighnings will arrive in mass at Air Venture
> and give Van's "Air Force" a real run for their
> money. That day will come much sooner when everyone
> has access to a top-notch builder's manual.Enough
> with the soap box, Bill with kit #49 in mid sixties
> weather in Tucson still working on the elevator
> control horn install (Did you know there are no
> rudder stops to limit rudder motion?)
>
>
>
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Longer Wing |
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Brian, Will a longer wing mean a faster plane? cd
--- Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
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Charles,
They made an announcement, around Christmas time I
believe that they will be doing a longer winged
version of the Lightning. The results will be a
smoother cross country ride, an ability for the
sport model to come in at an even slower stalling
speed, and a longer wing means larger ailerons,
which means an even better roll rate. (which it'll
need more aileron to get the same rate with the
longer wing) From what I understand, the wing end
caps, for those who didn't glass them on will be
able to get just the new tips and new ailerons and
do an "upgrade" to their plane after the fact.
Pretty cool. Brian W.> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008
20:48:57 -0800> From: cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com> Subject:
Longer Wing> To:
lightning-list(at)matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List
message posted by: Charles Dewey
<cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>> > Brian- Why would they be
doing a longer wing?> CD> > > > > --- Brian
Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com> wrote:> > > > > >
> Quote "Did you know there are no rudder stops to>
> limit rudder motion?" end quote > > > > There are
rudder stops. That's what the bulge on> > the rudder
with the flat edge does. I can't> > remember if it
touches on the horizontal or on the> > vertical tail
assembly, but when it's all together I> > gaurantee
there's a limit to rudder travel. > > > > As far as
the rest goes, I'm sure that you're right,> > that
one day that most Lightning's will have to be> >
built at home. At some point in the growth process>
> that will have to be the case as it's just not> >
feasable to have enough space and build assisstants>
> for a huge scale operation. I know that the
current> > build manuals were a lot to do with
building the> > prototype and therefore there are
some differences,> > but I'm willing to bet that
Nick and Mark et al will> > constantly be revising
this document. The plane> > itself is going through
many changes. Small things> > such as an updated and
improved canopy latch system> > to much bigger
changes like a new and longer wing. > > At some
point it will be more smaller than larger> > changes
being made and will make keeping up with a> > build
manual much easier.> > > > One thing that I would
suggest would be to make the> > build manual
available online and all updates to be> > saved
online at the same time that they are saved to> >
the PC. This way the users at home can download> >
Revision XXX dated MM/DD/YYYY and know that they> >
have the latest and greatest, even if the kit takes>
> them a year or more to build. Having the
Operating> > Manual online would probably be nice
too since a lot> > of people want a peek at
operating procedures and> > testing data. I know
that it's all easier said than> > done, but I think
would make for a user-friendly> > company. There's
still things that folks will find> > or confuse I'm
sure, but perhaps a good thing to> > try. Brian W.>
> > > > > > > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:55:37
-0700From:> > sales(at)billandruth.netTo:
vettin74(at)yahoo.com;> >
mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.comSubject: Lightning-List:
The> > Lightning Builder's Manual > > Hi one and
all,First, I want to say that at least> > one at
Arion got the humor in the "secret code> > phrase"
post regarding the builder's manual. That's> > a
good thing. However, this kit still lacks a> >
concerted effort to get the manual up to par with> >
the rest of the kit building providers out there. >
> The company's emphasis on builder's assistance in>
> the kit build process takes much of the fuss out
of> > the build and that is just fine. However, not>
> everyone can afford that route. Those of us who> >
want to build or who must build on our own, don't> >
have the benefit of the accumulated experience the>
> builder assist program provides. The manual and> >
tech support phone calls are our only recourse. I> >
called Arion about an elevator control horn install>
> question on Friday and there was not a single
person> > available because they all were in an
engine clinic.> > So, a wasted building weekend was
the result.If the> > Lightning is to be a real
success with the kit> > building community, a
quality builder's manual has> > to be produced and
soon. Otherwise, problems in the> > build process
could very well start to become a> > theme that will
negatively impact sales. I know> > that the company
wants to place a higher priority on> > getting this
done. I've been told that several> > times. But, lip
service does not produce results. > > Commitment to
the builder/buyer does and it helps> > everyone! The
stand alone builder will eventually> > dominate the
build process, in my view, and more> > Lightning
sales will result because of that fact. > >
Consequently, he/she deserves much more> >
consideration and respect than is being provided> >
right now.I know that many of you on the "list"
will> > find this to be a very harsh criticism of
Arion. I> > am sorry that I may have offended you
and them, if> > that is the case. However, I believe
that this kit> > has got the potential to take a big
chunk out of> > Van's market share. There is a
builder two hangars> > down building an RV-7A and
all he says when I> > discuss a building issue with
him is you don't have> > plans and therefore you
need a really good builder's> > manual. I don't have
an adequate response to that> > comment.If the
Lightning is going to really catch on> > with those
who have considered Van's kits, the> > manual will
need to be a much better product.I> > highly
encourage every stand alone builder to> > contact
Arion and communicate every single manual> >
deficiency you have encountered in the build
process> > and what you had to do to resolve the
problem/s> > encountered so far.I look forward to
the day when> > sixty Lighnings will arrive in mass
at Air Venture> > and give Van's "Air Force" a real
run for their> > money. That day will come much
sooner when everyone> > has access to a top-notch
builder's manual.Enough> > with the soap box, Bill
with kit #49 in mid sixties> > weather in Tucson
still working on the elevator> > control horn
install (Did you know there are no> > rudder stops
to limit rudder motion?) > > > > > > > >>
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