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PMorel

Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Posts: 62
Location: Locust Grove, GA USA

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: Landing Light

Has anyone been successful in mounting landing  lights in the wingtips?  If so, can you give me some information on this or  any recommendations.  If not in the wingtips, then where would a practical  place be?  Any light weight lights?

  

 Paul Morel

 912 Speedster (in  progress)

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Paul Morel
912 Speedster
Locust Grove, GA

www.WingsAirPhotos.com

patreilly43(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: Landing Light

Paul, I believe Don at shericom(at)rogers.com (shericom(at)rogers.com) has a Mod 4 project for sale. The pictures he has of the project show landing lights in the wing tip.

 Do not archive

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 Rebuild

 Rockford,IL



 [quote]  From: pmorel(at)bellsouth.net

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing Light

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:00:19 -0500



     Has anyone been successful in mounting landing lights in the wingtips?  If so, can you give me some information on this or any recommendations.  If not in the wingtips, then where would a practical place be?  Any light weight lights?

  

 Paul Morel

 912 Speedster (in progress)

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: Landing Light

At 04:00 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote:

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		  Has anyone been successful in mounting landing lights in the wingtips?  If so, can you give me some information on this or any recommendations.  If not in the wingtips, then where would a practical place be?  Any light weight lights? 	


         I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase, but this subject has been exhaustively discussed on the Lancair ( www.lancair.net/maillist.html) and RV ( www.vansairforce.net) forums, as they both use every possible permutation of landing light and position lights. You'll find much more and more current information there. As the tips for all three aircraft are glass, and are about the same shapes you should find good information.



 

 Guy Buchanan

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.    [quote][b]

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Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

kitfoxpilot(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Landing Light

I have a Model IV 1200, and on my plane, the landing lights and I have two are mounted at the end of the wingtip, the actual wingtip fits over the light.  The light is mounted to a bracket that is mounted to the spar.  Your wingtip will have a plastic lense.

 Ray

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		    From: patreilly43(at)hotmail.com

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Landing Light

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:03:34 +0000

   .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}  Paul, I believe Don at shericom(at)rogers.com (shericom(at)rogers.com) has a Mod 4 project for sale. The pictures he has of the project show landing lights in the wing tip.

Do not archive

Pat Reilly

Mod 3 Rebuild

Rockford,IL

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		    From: pmorel(at)bellsouth.net

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing Light

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:00:19 -0500

    Has anyone been successful in mounting landing lights in the wingtips?  If so, can you give me some information on this or any recommendations.  If not in the wingtips, then where would a practical place be?  Any light weight lights?

 Paul Morel

 912 Speedster (in progress)

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PMorel

Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Posts: 62
Location: Locust Grove, GA USA

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Landing Light

Ray

 Thanks, this sounds like something I'm looking for.   Can you provide a picture or two?

 Paul

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Paul Morel
912 Speedster
Locust Grove, GA

www.WingsAirPhotos.com

n10pg(at)neo.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: Landing Light

Paul, do yourself a favor and talk to John and/or Debra Mc Bean of Sport

Plane LLC (sportplane(at)cableone.net) 208-337-5111 and ask them about the new

AeroSun 1600. They are anti-collision pulse lights and landing lights. They

are made with extremely bright LED's and draw very low current in contrast

to all other types of lights. I have them and love them. Say hello for me to

John and Debra.

Peter Graichen

http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm 



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From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morel

Sent: Tuesday, 12 February, 2008 19:00

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Landing Light

Has anyone been successful in mounting landing lights in the wingtips?  If

so, can you give me some information on this or any recommendations.  If not

in the wingtips, then where would a practical place be?  Any light weight

lights?

 

Paul Morel

912 Speedster (in progress)

n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 403

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Landing Light

Here's how I do my landing lights now, it is a removable light bar that

attaches to the float attach brackets. I also have the wingtip lights, but

they are a really poor solution. The lightbar in the image is when I was 

first setting it up, so the lights (three) are not on yet, and the wiring is

a mess. But you get the idea. I have a quick connect and can

detach the bar in just a few minutes. 



http://www.aselia.com/n85ae/lightbar2.jpg



With three Halogen driving lights I can light the runway like a 747. drag

is insignificant so I simply leave the bar on all the time. Skeptics would

say how can drag be insignificant? I suspect because the air is so 

turbulent along the belly in any case I can't tell there on the plane

when flying.



Reflected light off the belly provides ground illumination during flare

so the tail dragger landings at night are no longer the worrisome feel

for the ground event that they were. 



With pitch and rudder adjustment I can illuminate the runway from 

1/2 mile final (or more), at least well enough to see it.



I flew my plane for a year with tip lights, and I honestly was never happy

with them no matter how they were adjusted. The lights you can fit in

the wingtips simply are in the wrong location for a taildragger. Plus you

can't put a BIG light in the wingtip.



Regards,

Jeff

clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: Landing Light

I installed a small driving light in front of my Kitfox.  Worked for years, mounted on bottom of oil cooler. Hope pictures take.

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kitfoxpilot(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: Landing Light

I can do that, I think I still have the installation instructions.

  

 Ray

 [quote]  From: pmorel(at)bellsouth.net

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Landing Light

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:23:06 -0500



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 Thanks, this sounds like something I'm looking for.  Can you provide a picture or two?

 Paul

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PMorel

Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Posts: 62
Location: Locust Grove, GA USA

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: Landing Light

Clint

 The pictures were quite small, but it looks as though you  cut into the round cowl to install?

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912 Speedster
Locust Grove, GA

www.WingsAirPhotos.com

patreilly43(at)hotmail.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: Landing Light

Jeff, Exellent light bar. Did you weld it out of aluminum or steel tubing? Also, what type of quick disconnect is that? It looks like a hex head bolt but I see there is no nut on it. The bar sits directly behind your Grove gear. The lights might add drag but the bar wouldn't.

 Do not archive

  

 Pat Reilly 

 Mod 3 Rebuild

 Rockford,IL

 

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		   Subject: Re: Landing Light

 From: n85ae(at)yahoo.com

 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:36:48 -0800

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "n85ae" <n85ae(at)yahoo.com>

 

 Here's how I do my landing lights now, it is a removable light bar that

 attaches to the float attach brackets. I also have the wingtip lights, but

 they are a really poor solution. The lightbar in the image is when I was 

 first setting it up, so the lights (three) are not on yet, and the wiring is

 a mess. But you get the idea. I have a quick connect and can

 detach the bar in just a few minutes. 

 

 http://www.aselia.com/n85ae/lightbar2.jpg

 

 With three Halogen driving lights I can light the runway like a 747. drag

 is insignificant so I simply leave the bar on all the time. Skeptics would

 say how can drag be insignificant? I suspect because the air is so 

 turbulent along the belly in any case I can't tell there on the plane

 when flying.

 

 Reflected light off the belly provides ground illumination during flare

 so the tail dragger landings at night are no longer the worrisome feel

 for the ground event that they were. 

 

 With pitch and rudder adjustment I can illuminate the runway from 

 1/2 mile final (or more), at least well enough to see it.

 

 I flew my plane for a year with tip lights, and I honestly was never happy

 with them no matter how they were adjusted. The lights you can fit in

 the wingtips simply are in the wrong location for a taildragger. Plus you

 can't put a BIG light in the wingtip.

 

 Regards,

 Jeff

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163835#163835

 

 

 

 

 

 

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clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: Landing Light

Here are a couple of pix a little bit bigger.  Didn't know they would be so small.

 

Clint



 [quote]  From: pmorel(at)bellsouth.net

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Landing Light

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:24:07 -0500



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Fox5flyer
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: Landing Light

Thanks for the photos Clint.  They came through just  great.  Question:  With the vibration from the engine, do you go  through many light bulbs?

 Deke

 Ps:  Did you receive the check?

  

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Mdkitfox(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: Landing Light

Paul,

  

 I have a Series V with a similar setup to Ray's, except I made an  adjustable bracket and attached it to the last rib.  The light  extends past the forward spar.  The wingtip has the plastic  lens.  The light is a 12V/50W DC halogen bulb in a small housing I found at  the Home Depot lighting department.  I have one on each wing - one is a  spot type bulb and the other is a flood.  I posted pictures on the old  Kitfox list web site which I believe has been converted onto the Matronix  site.  By the way - total weight of both lights is about 1 pound.

  

 Rick  Weiss

Series V Speedster - N39RW, 912S Power



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  In a message dated 2/12/2008 11:26:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  pmorel(at)bellsouth.net writes:

 [quote]   Ray

   Thanks, this sounds like something I'm looking    for.  Can you provide a picture or two?

   Paul

   [quote]     ---

clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: Landing Light

Have severl hundreds of hours and haven't changed bulbs yet.  Use it in flashing mode when airport is busy. 

  

 It is double shock mounted.

  

 Clint

 [quote]  From: fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Landing Light

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:32:05 -0500



   .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass EC_BODY.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}   Thanks for the photos Clint.  They came through just great.  Question:  With the vibration from the engine, do you go through many light bulbs?

 Deke

 Ps:  Did you receive the check?

  

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clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: Landing Light

Received the check yesterday.  Glad to get that carpet to someone that can use it.  Love it on my plane, I just made cardboard  template and then cut the capet an put it on top.  It looks great.  

Clint

 [quote]  From: fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Landing Light

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:32:05 -0500

   .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass EC_BODY.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}   Thanks for the photos Clint.  They came through just great.  Question:  With the vibration from the engine, do you go through many light bulbs?

 Deke

 Ps:  Did you receive the check?

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