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AV8ORJWC
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I have invested the last five years (Full Time) in my passion for kit built aircraft. It was with deep personal interest I watched as Dr. Carl Cadwell completed with a handful of close personal friends the first evolutionary Epic kit built aircraft requiring it be done only at the kit factory in Bend, OR. Competitive forces led to the FAA and EAA triggering discussions and deep research on the archaic 51% rules. Many have strong opinions on this sensitive subject. I posed to Dick VanGrunsven his feelings at what was coming at our Pacific NW RV-10 Christmas Dinner (held at kit builder #40001 Dan and Sun Benua’s home and with their gracious support). Dick seemed realistic as to the State of the Kit Building Economy.
Enclosed as an attachment to this post is The FINAL FAA Document which is flowing towards an NPRM – Notice of Proposed Rulemaking. Your participation is critical. As I read the article, I concluded that the committee did a remarkable job at identification of the various problems and gives a hint at what will be required to correct the aberrations. I became more confident towards the end that the health of the industry for Individuals building their own aircraft for Education and Enjoyment is protected. I also concluded that the A & P mechanics who mass produce aircraft for sale and those untrained individuals with Business storefronts who repetitively construct packaged finished product to order, so that the guy or gal with the big checkbook can falsify their 51% completion of build tasks, is Near.
This morning, It was with a heavy heart that I listened to the final TRACON minutes and seconds of an aircraft, whose owner, flying a Certified Aircraft (and the media made careful effort to try and label it as a Kit built) did not successfully complete his landing at PDX on Saturday Morning’s dense fog. We had lost another (Kit built) 40 miles south, just seven days prior. There are lots of people who can buy the product who do not acquire the needed skill or maintain the proficiency to fly in our environment. Those who remain pilots pay the insurance premiums of those who came and left before us. Last night I attended a remarkable AOPA 5 Lessons (Mistakes) Seminar held by The ASF Team. This seminar was one of the most timely, practical and inspirational I have attended in 35 years of active flying. I am ever more vigilant that our skills need to be constantly honed and updated. Our kit building industry is about to get a needed cleansing. The professional build shops will soon operate with a new set of rules which will allow them their sales and us our Owner Built and Maintained niche.
It was great to see many familiar faces in the mass of several hundred pilot enthusiasts. I hope you find this attachment of interest and usefulness. Get your NPRM comments ready.
<<ARC_FINAL_report.pdf>>
Fly Safe, Fly Often Live Long
John Cox
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules |
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I'm curious, who are the "other interested parties" alluded to in the "Introduction" ?
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:15 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules
I have invested the last five years (Full Time) in my passion for kit built aircraft. It was with deep personal interest I watched as Dr. Carl Cadwell completed with a handful of close personal friends the first evolutionary Epic kit built aircraft requiring it be done only at the kit factory in Bend, OR. Competitive forces led to the FAA and EAA triggering discussions and deep research on the archaic 51% rules. Many have strong opinions on this sensitive subject. I posed to Dick VanGrunsven his feelings at what was coming at our Pacific NW RV-10 Christmas Dinner (held at kit builder #40001 Dan and Sun Benua’s home and with their gracious support). Dick seemed realistic as to the State of the Kit Building Economy.
Enclosed as an attachment to this post is The FINAL FAA Document which is flowing towards an NPRM – Notice of Proposed Rulemaking. Your participation is critical. As I read the article, I concluded that the committee did a remarkable job at identification of the various problems and gives a hint at what will be required to correct the aberrations. I became more confident towards the end that the health of the industry for Individuals building their own aircraft for Education and Enjoyment is protected. I also concluded that the A & P mechanics who mass produce aircraft for sale and those untrained individuals with Business storefronts who repetitively construct packaged finished product to order, so that the guy or gal with the big checkbook can falsify their 51% completion of build tasks, is Near.
This morning, It was with a heavy heart that I listened to the final TRACON minutes and seconds of an aircraft, whose owner, flying a Certified Aircraft (and the media made careful effort to try and label it as a Kit built) did not successfully complete his landing at PDX on Saturday Morning’s dense fog. We had lost another (Kit built) 40 miles south, just seven days prior. There are lots of people who can buy the product who do not acquire the needed skill or maintain the proficiency to fly in our environment. Those who remain pilots pay the insurance premiums of those who came and left before us. Last night I attended a remarkable AOPA 5 Lessons (Mistakes) Seminar held by The ASF Team. This seminar was one of the most timely, practical and inspirational I have attended in 35 years of active flying. I am ever more vigilant that our skills need to be constantly honed and updated. Our kit building industry is about to get a needed cleansing. The professional build shops will soon operate with a new set of rules which will allow them their sales and us our Owner Built and Maintained niche.
It was great to see many familiar faces in the mass of several hundred pilot enthusiasts. I hope you find this attachment of interest and usefulness. Get your NPRM comments ready.
<<ARC_FINAL_report.pdf>>
Fly Safe, Fly Often Live Long
John Cox
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules |
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Maybe people that make stuff for kits...like motors, tires, electronic equipment, etc...
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.
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AV8ORJWC
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules |
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GAMA to begin, NBAA, AOPA, COPA and yes EFIS suppliers and others great and small. GAMA - General Aviation Manufacturers (Certified). But as I pointed out months ago, the cry was heard at OSH ’05 that something had to be done about Rick Schrameck and his Epic creation that was threatening the perceived market share of a Florida manufacturer. The victim became Dr. Cadwell who completed the build, as he had his previous Lancair IVP, years before. He fully documented what he did. However, at the time the aircraft kit was not on the Official list. By the way, that list has been held hostage by this ARC and will also have an NPRM.
There is validity in a question of Kitbuilt when it must be done only at a named factory facility. However, under the archaic rules. Dr. Cadwell did 51+% and invested more than 7 significant digits in funds. The FAA, under political pressure refused issuance of the Phase One authorization and the all important Airworthiness Document. One year, countless more funds and attorneys efforts – he has been rewarded and has months of joyful 1250 SHP turboprop flight. Rick now has a successful business and pursues similar interests in Canada. Note: a party to this committee finding. They just can’t allow any back doors to remain at manipulating their intent. Joe Bartels, also on the committee saw the writing on the wall as so many former employees opened Opportunity Shops. Joe created the Factory Assist Program (in Redmond, OR) at $4,000 per week for up to 28 weeks. Just think, factory jigs, factory tools, factory staff, factory experience and it morphed into the Three Weeks to Final Build Program (Arlington, WA) which was seized by Kitplanes Editor Marc Cook. Lets see 3 weeks, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day = 504 work hours. No sleep. Oh, how this thing can grow horns.
The products have truly evolved. The builder benefits, the free market system is great.
Thanks for reading at least to the Introduction Gerry.
Do not Archive
John Cox
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:54 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules
I'm curious, who are the "other interested parties" alluded to in the "Introduction" ?
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:15 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules
I have invested the last five years (Full Time) in my passion for kit built aircraft. It was with deep personal interest I watched as Dr. Carl Cadwell completed with a handful of close personal friends the first evolutionary Epic kit built aircraft requiring it be done only at the kit factory in Bend, OR. Competitive forces led to the FAA and EAA triggering discussions and deep research on the archaic 51% rules. Many have strong opinions on this sensitive subject. I posed to Dick VanGrunsven his feelings at what was coming at our Pacific NW RV-10 Christmas Dinner (held at kit builder #40001 Dan and Sun Benua’s home and with their gracious support). Dick seemed realistic as to the State of the Kit Building Economy.
Enclosed as an attachment to this post is The FINAL FAA Document which is flowing towards an NPRM – Notice of Proposed Rulemaking. Your participation is critical. As I read the article, I concluded that the committee did a remarkable job at identification of the various problems and gives a hint at what will be required to correct the aberrations. I became more confident towards the end that the health of the industry for Individuals building their own aircraft for Education and Enjoyment is protected. I also concluded that the A & P mechanics who mass produce aircraft for sale and those untrained individuals with Business storefronts who repetitively construct packaged finished product to order, so that the guy or gal with the big checkbook can falsify their 51% completion of build tasks, is Near.
This morning, It was with a heavy heart that I listened to the final TRACON minutes and seconds of an aircraft, whose owner, flying a Certified Aircraft (and the media made careful effort to try and label it as a Kit built) did not successfully complete his landing at PDX on Saturday Morning’s dense fog. We had lost another (Kit built) 40 miles south, just seven days prior. There are lots of people who can buy the product who do not acquire the needed skill or maintain the proficiency to fly in our environment. Those who remain pilots pay the insurance premiums of those who came and left before us. Last night I attended a remarkable AOPA 5 Lessons (Mistakes) Seminar held by The ASF Team. This seminar was one of the most timely, practical and inspirational I have attended in 35 years of active flying. I am ever more vigilant that our skills need to be constantly honed and updated. Our kit building industry is about to get a needed cleansing. The professional build shops will soon operate with a new set of rules which will allow them their sales and us our Owner Built and Maintained niche.
It was great to see many familiar faces in the mass of several hundred pilot enthusiasts. I hope you find this attachment of interest and usefulness. Get your NPRM comments ready.
<<ARC_FINAL_report.pdf>>
Fly Safe, Fly Often Live Long
John Cox
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