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 Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: Airbus response |
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It seems that the first response on the PC crowd in this country is to play the racism card. I assure you that the ethnicity of those on board was the least of my concerns. The real concern was the stupidity of the airmen. However let's address the race issue. I spent 16 years living and working in the Middle East so I know better than most the strengths and weaknesses of the culture. I have visited in their villages , attended their weddings and speak, read and write limited Arabic. I assure you that there are more incompetents in technical positions in the East than in the West; this is in part due to their culture and religion. As an example I was hiring a data processing analyst for my group; I was sent two Arabs by my Arab boss ( a stand in vacation replacement) for the interview. Both had been schooled in the USA. Both had BS degrees in computer science and one had a MS in computer science. One had a BS in computer science from Eastern Michigan University where his transcript showed barely passing grades. The other had a BS and MS from Florida State University and had a GPA A-. Needless to say I chose the good grade fellow. My stand in boss then told me to hire the low grade fellow; It so happened that that fellow was of the same tribe as my stand in boss and brother of the Manager of computer operations. I did as instructed and when my real boss (another Arab, same tribe) returned I recounted the situation. Shortly thereafter my first choice was sent to my group and the low graded fellow was put somewhere else. In another case the head of the Aviation department is a well qualified Arab who has qualified as a B737 and G IV captain at Flight Safety where ratings are not handed out by tribal decree.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: Airbus response |
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It's all way more complicated than we can handle on this forum.
Everything from the interpretation of the term "Arab," to each person's personal history, to the way words "sound" to a person reading an email. It's an edgy time right now, here in the States and elsewhere. And, of course, that's a about as gross an understatement as I will ever be able to make. In part the RV-10 experience, this list of good people (everyone on this list I consider a good person, everyone), the passion we all share about flying and building...all help us deal with what is happening in the world. It provides a little break and something to focus on. It certainly doesn't allow us to turn our backs and walk away from important issues, such as racism or unnecessary wars (is a war ever necessary?), but it does give us a little break, like watching a football game (USA-type or otherwise). The tension and realities are just below the surface, and that's why, in my opinion, the responses to something such as this are so quick, and perhaps so quickly accusatory, necessarily so or not.
Beyond the material harm to the plane, people did get hurt. It looks funny from a distance, but it was tragic to those involved. It was also not an isolated "stupid" event. There are plenty such events all around the globe. No one is immune from this type of tragedy. No one.
I, for one, believe its time to move on, to get back to the focus of the forum. There are plenty of other opportunities and forums, on-line and off, to address what we individually believe needs addressing. Us humans seem to have a knack about providing things that need addressing. At that we excel.
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John Jessen
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:11 PM
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Subject: Airbus response
It seems that the first response on the PC crowd in this country is to play the racism card. I assure you that the ethnicity of those on board was the least of my concerns. The real concern was the stupidity of the airmen. However let's address the race issue. I spent 16 years living and working in the Middle East so I know better than most the strengths and weaknesses of the culture. I have visited in their villages , attended their weddings and speak, read and write limited Arabic. I assure you that there are more incompetents in technical positions in the East than in the West; this is in part due to their culture and religion. As an example I was hiring a data processing analyst for my group; I was sent two Arabs by my Arab boss ( a stand in vacation replacement) for the interview. Both had been schooled in the USA. Both had BS degrees in computer science and one had a MS in computer science. One had a BS in computer science from Eastern Michigan University where his transcript showed barely passing grades. The other had a BS and MS from Florida State University and had a GPA A-. Needless to say I chose the good grade fellow. My stand in boss then told me to hire the low grade fellow; It so happened that that fellow was of the same tribe as my stand in boss and brother of the Manager of computer operations. I did as instructed and when my real boss (another Arab, same tribe) returned I recounted the situation. Shortly thereafter my first choice was sent to my group and the low graded fellow was put somewhere else. In another case the head of the Aviation department is a well qualified Arab who has qualified as a B737 and G IV captain at Flight Safety where ratings are not handed out by tribal decree.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Airbus response |
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If you haven't been over there you can't appreciate what David is saying. Considering his experience in the region...I'm sure it was not intended as it was recieved. I don't say this to defend him...He is far from in need of that. I'm just very glad I'm from the American Tribe...much more respectful, at least in our country you OR your wife can drive to the store...there only you (the male) can.
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