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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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 Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: Fish Eyes..... |
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I m still out here painting. What a project.....
So far I m into a $966 paint job and learning about why paint shops get $ 6K plus to do it professionally.
My major problem is "fish eyes" in my base coats.
Yes, I cleaned the aluminum.
Yes, I used Alima Prep.
Yes, I used Alodine.
Yes, I used Epoxy Primer.
Yes, I bought the " How to paint your own airplane" book.
One item I m just now hearing about is Fish Eye Eliminator..
Do you builders/painters have experience with FEE..
My plan is to head out the the auto paint store in the morning and buy this product.
I m using Sherwin Williams Acry Glo aircraft paint. Its a poly urethane paint and I assume I can use the eliminator in this brand..
Help and thanks
Steve
601XL
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Fish Eyes..... |
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| Quote: | I believe Roger Roy painted his craft with a low
pressure system using Rustoleum. I thought it looked
great and it wasn't expensive at all. Might go that
route myself. Don't know exactly what he used for
primer. I am using the self etch primer by Sherwin
Williams, so far it sticks well. I first washed it
with thinner, then used aluminum etch and then after
rinsing with water, drying and spray painted.
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| Quote: | I m still out here painting. What a project.....
So far I m into a $966 paint job and learning about
why paint shops get $ 6K plus to do it
professionally.
My major problem is "fish eyes" in my base coats.
Yes, I cleaned the aluminum.
Yes, I used Alima Prep.
Yes, I used Alodine.
Yes, I used Epoxy Primer.
Yes, I bought the " How to paint your own airplane"
book.
One item I m just now hearing about is Fish Eye
Eliminator..
Do you builders/painters have experience with FEE..
My plan is to head out the the auto paint store in
the morning and buy this product.
I m using Sherwin Williams Acry Glo aircraft paint.
Its a poly urethane paint and I assume I can use the
eliminator in this brand..
Help and thanks
Steve
601XL
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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: Fish Eyes..... |
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I have an oil water seperator ( filter ) at the spray gun...
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lrm(at)skyhawg.com
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: Fish Eyes..... |
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Fish eyes are caused by some type of oil still on or in the surface to be painted. There are several things that can cause it. The most over looked are hands and soap. If you use a soap of any kind to sand or wash the surface with, that could be the problem. I always use a dish detergent to wash down the surface before I start sanding and I use soap with my water when sanding. Check what's in the soap. A lot of the newer soaps have stuff in their products to make it easy on your hands, that stuff is generally coconut oil. If your soap has oil in it and if you sanded with it, what you have done is sand the oil into the surface. If so, you have a major problem which generally can only be fixed with fish eye additive or stripping down to bare metal and starting over. Some people will tell you it's not good to use, it shortens the life of your paint and it's sorta like cheating because you didn't do a good prep job. I don't think so. I've been using it for years on every paint job I've done, 100s. I have not seen a problem. It doesn't cost much and could very well save you a lot of money and work. I do not paint without it, it's insurance for a better job.
Your hands have oil in the skin and it will transfer to your surface when touched. You should wear latex gloves as much as possible
It is also a good idea to use a pre-wash made especially for lifting oils just prior to shooting. Any paint dealer has some brand of it.
Take care, LRM www.skyhawg.com
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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Fish Eyes..... |
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I forgot to say that I live in Arizona where the humidity is low. Todat
about 12%...
That, with the filter on my air supply should take care of any
contaminents.....
I ve been online reading about fish eye eliminator and how auto paint shops
use it....
SW
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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Fish Eyes..... |
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In almost every case of fisheye I have seen it was caused by oil on the surface to be painted. It will come from the your skin or various other sources. Fisheye inhibitor is a bandaid and most of the time it will work but will reduce the effectiveness of the paint.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net>
I forgot to say that I live in Arizona where the humidity is low. Todat
about 12%...
That, with the filter on my air supply should take care of any
contaminents.....
I ve been online reading about fish eye eliminator and how auto paint shops
use it....
SW
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vgstol(at)bigpond.net.au
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: Fish Eyes..... |
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<Fisheye inhibitor is a bandaid and most of the time it will work but will reduce the effectiveness of the paint.>
It also makes the paint develope runs quicker, so less margin for error......
JG
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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:15 am Post subject: Fish Eyes..... |
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Steve,
To preclude the compressor feeding oil into your
paint, a Motor Guard M30 Filter is a good product. It will keep water,
oil and everything
else out. Not expensive, but really good product. Very large dense
filter downstream from a water and oil
separator on a compressor is about the size of a roll of toilet paper,
but very dense. Filters are replaceable and
not expensive. It's as good as it gets.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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