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DAquaNut(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

Joe,

  

     Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The  biggest difference between your Kolb and what you are used to,  is it  has more drag and slows down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are  close to the ground. The closer the better. Actually you   hardly flare at  all. Just fly it to about a foot off the ground and back of the throttle. If you  flare like a conventional craft you  are asking for trouble. 

  

  

           Good Luck,

  

                 Ed  Diebel                    ( Firefly 62  In Houston)   80*   today



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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

Joe 

 Welcome to the list ,  and you got a Great  little plane there  I am sure you will really enjoy it.  will you post  a Pic of it so I can put a Plane with a name  I hear you on the hurry up  and get here warm weather 

  

 Ellery in MAINE  

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  In a message dated 3/16/2008 12:18:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  jreaves57(at)yahoo.com writes:

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Hi    everyone,



The name is Joe and I hail from Tyler, Texas.  I am new    to the forum and new to ultralights.  Just bought a 2002 Kolb Mark III    and really anxious to get some time in it.  I have a Commercial,    Instrument, Multi-engine and CFI, but this will be a whole new learning    experience for me.



Hurry up and get here, warm    weather!



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dhkey(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

Joe,

 I live at F69 stop by sometime, I can get you fuel. Congradulations!

 David



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 From: jreaves57(at)yahoo.com

 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:14:15 -0700

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hose.A" <jreaves57(at)yahoo.com>

 

 Hi everyone,

 

 The name is Joe and I hail from Tyler, Texas. I am new to the forum and new to ultralights. Just bought a 2002 Kolb Mark III and really anxious to get some time in it. I have a Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine and CFI, but this will be a whole new learning experience for me.

 

 Hurry up and get here, warm weather!

 

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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

Joe 

  

 As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience will  serve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on 25% till  you are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only then cut the power.  Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more experience SLOWLY reduce the power  you set for approach or set one notch of flap. Don't do both at the same time.  In fact you may be better off adding a bit more power the first time you  use one notch of flaps. Some of us still carry some power with lots of  experience. I like to carry some power because landing with one notch of flaps  with some power will feel just like no power (engine out) with no flaps. I  know this first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than for brief  periods on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is one of our  members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings but I would  wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then approach it with  added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm being too conservative  but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too fast to flaps  and no power. 

  

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered MKIIIC

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Hose.A

Joined: 13 Mar 2008
Posts: 5
Location: Tyler, Texas

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: Re: New

Thanks everyone for the advice on landing the Kolb.  I intend to get a few hours dual instruction before venturing out on my own. 



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

> The name is Joe and I hail from Tyler, Texas.  I am new to the forum and 

new to ultralights.   >

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Hi Joe:



Welcome to the world of little airplanes.



We have a lot of fun building and flying these little guys.



john h

mkIII

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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

> Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird:

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Joe:



Where is your center section?



Kolbs were designed to fly with centersections to cover the area between the 

wing sections.  They fly much better with center section installed.



john h

mkIII

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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

 after seeing the Kolbs on Barnstormers   that is the one I thought you would have purchased  thinking it wasn't to  far from where you live it sure looks like a nice one  I hope you have many  hours enjoying flying in it 

 Ellery in Maine 

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  In a message dated 3/16/2008 1:43:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  jreaves57(at)yahoo.com writes:

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Thanks everyone for the advice on landing    the Kolb.  I intend to get a few hours dual instruction before venturing    out on my own. 



Per request, here is a pic of my "new"    bird:



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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

HoseA -- where's the pic?

On Mar 16, 2008, at 4:22 PM, John Hauck wrote:

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 Joe:

 Where is your center section?

 Kolbs were designed to fly with centersections to cover the area  

 between the wing sections.  They fly much better with center  

 section installed.

 john h

 mkIII

John Bickham

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 170
Location: St. Francisville, LA

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: New

Welcome Joe,



Tyler, TX ain't to fer from me.  Maybe I'll stop in and check on you one day.  It would be a good leg stretcher for me.



Don't rush it.  Landing the Kolb is just different due to the low inertia in the flare.  Not hard just need to be aware.  If you get comfortable with that, work on short field over obstacles (trees).  We have an informal gathering of Kolbs, second weekend in July at Nauga Field (LS35).  Come visit if you want.  We pass a good time!



You'll find some of the best folks in the world fly Kolbs (not 100% though   ).  Some of my best times are flying and camping with other Kolbers.



E-mail me direct if I can help.  We can talk about that center section if you have questions.

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John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA

I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for.

Possums

Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Posts: 247

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: New

 	  Hose.A wrote: 	
		  Thanks everyone for the advice on landing the Kolb.  I intend to get a few hours dual instruction before venturing out on my own. 



Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird: 	


Just fly it to the ground.

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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: New

Is That a 582 on yer Bird ?



Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz"  FSII / 503 / N381PM

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dhkey(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

I respectfully disagree with the idea that you should not use flaps on landing.

 [quote]  From: NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:10:28 -0400

     Joe 

 As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience will serve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on 25% till you are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only then cut the power. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more experience SLOWLY reduce the power you set for approach or set one notch of flap. Don't do both at the same time. In fact you may be better off adding a bit more power the first time you use one notch of flaps. Some of us still carry some power with lots of experience. I like to carry some power because landing with one notch of flaps with some power will feel just like no power (engine out) with no flaps. I know this first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than for brief periods on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is one of our members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings but I would wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then approach it with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm being too conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too fast to flaps and no power. 

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered MKIIIC

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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

David

  

 Ok. So tell us why. 

  

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered MKIIIC

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dhkey(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

Because the dreaded Kolb drop, or stall is what it used to be called occurs a little later and a little slower which gives the pilot a little more time to make adjustments in the landing environment. Kolb steering is a bit easier to tackle the slower you are going. It's the way that I would teach it. 

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To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:42:15 -0400

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 Ok. So tell us why. 

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered MKIIIC

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Hose.A

Joined: 13 Mar 2008
Posts: 5
Location: Tyler, Texas

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: New

 	  planecrazzzy wrote: 	
		  Is That a 582 on yer Bird ?



Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz"  FSII / 503 / N381PM

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Yep.  That's a 582 alright.

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

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aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

I will add my two bobs worth here on how I do it. Two up  long finals ,60mph at about 300 to 500 agl depending on where the runway is,  reduce speed to 55mph and full flap . Use the throttle/side slip to put yourself  on the spot you have picked to touch down. Most times from 300 ft there is no  need to touch the throttle again. My suggestion for some one landing a MK111c  for the first few times would be to make all approaches under power with plenty  of flap. Doing it this way will get you out of trouble if you miss judge  something at the last moment .   I always take off with 50%  flap,lift the tail about 30 mph and rotate at 50 to 55 hold the nose down  momunteraly then point the nose at the sky and maintain a steady 55 /60 to  1000 ft.

 Flying solo I reduce the speeds by about 5mph.I also  prefer to use grass to land on .My first couple of attemps of taking off on  a sealed runway had much the same results as you have explained .To work out the  speeds for rotating I simply judge how far aft I have to pull the stick with a  givin AUW, If you try and rotate too slow the stick will be right back and you  will find you need to push it forward to get your best climb out speed. After  some practice you will be able to judge where the stick needs to be with a given  load. Practice.practice.practice. A very forgiving and fun aircraft, just always  remember if you pull the stick back without either speed or power you are going  to stop flying .It is not forgiving at real slow speeds close to the  ground.There are others who may disagree with what have said here and thats OK.  We all tend to work out what suits us and develope our own operating practices  from there. 

 Stay safe up there 

 Tony from down under  

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rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
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Location: Western PA

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:53 am Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

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 OK, I can't stand it any more- Who is Hose,B

 Larry C

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Ahhh, nevermind. :-p 



Denny

That was a close one!



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biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum

After they're all done with you, you been HoseD.                         

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Denny Rowe wrote:

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> OK, I can't stand it any more- Who is Hose,B

> Larry C

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 Ahhh, nevermind. :-p

 Denny

 That was a close one!

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