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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: Balancing act for ailerons

Mike B., Rick, Ellery, & Mike & Jaz,

 

  Thanks a ton, guys, for your helpful tips.  (But, seriously, did Jaz really help out much?  Hmm?)

Thanks especially to Mike B. for the Tony Bingelis article and Mike's Bigelow's counterbalance/aileron

photos, and to Rick G. for the methodical steps involved.

 

  I have plenty of useful information to build the counterbalances.....and will wait until the aileron 

is completely finished before "locking in" the final weight position.

 

  Muchas gracias, amigos.

 

  Just in case no one else asks, Mike B., yes, I'd like to see that extra 6 gallon tank setup.

Maybe in the future, if the present 10 gallons (4+ hours plus reserve) I have isn't enough, 

I may want to add an extra 3 hours of flying with the 6 gallon tank.  

 

Mike Welch

MkIII

 

PS  Has anyone ever heard of "Tar Baby?"  Building my plane reminds me of Br'er Rabbit and Tar Baby.

 I can't seem to touch one thing...without having to get stuck doing something else.  And the young guys 

 are saying "what the heck is a Tar Baby"!!

  

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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: Balancing act for ailerons

"what the heck is a Tar Baby"!!..

 

Hi 

 here is one old guy at least  who knows. But  then I went to school when reading and writing where on the  curiculum .`Brer Rabbit, he lay low   `

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat

 



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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Balancing act for ailerons

Your flight time numbers are WAY OFF....



 4 hrs plus reserve on 10 gals ?



 3 extra hrs with 6 gal  ??



   Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz" , chew'n  4 gals (plus) per hour

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[quote="mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co"]Mike B., Rick, Ellery, & Mike & Jaz,

 

  Thanks a ton, guys, for your helpful tips.  (But, seriously, did Jaz really help out much?  Hmm?)

Thanks especially to Mike B. for the Tony Bingelis article and Mike's Bigelow's counterbalance/aileron

photos, and to Rick G. for the methodical steps involved.

 

  I have plenty of useful information to build the counterbalances.....and will wait until the aileron 

is completely finished before "locking in" the final weight position.

 

  Muchas gracias, amigos.

 

  Just in case no one else asks, Mike B., yes, I'd like to see that extra 6 gallon tank setup.

Maybe in the future, if the present 10 gallons (4+ hours plus reserve) I have isn't enough, 

I may want to add an extra 3 hours of flying with the 6 gallon tank.  

 

Mike Welch

MkIII

 

PS  Has anyone ever heard of "Tar Baby?"  Building my plane reminds me of Br'er Rabbit and Tar Baby.

 I can't seem to touch one thing...without having to get stuck doing something else.  And the young guys 

 are saying "what the heck is a Tar Baby"!!

  

 Do Not Archive

 

 



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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: Balancing act for ailerons

Mike & "Jaz",

  

   I know, I know.  I just didn't want to include the fractions.  But, for you, I will be precise.

 4.5 hours, plus a gallon for reserve, on 10 gallons.

  

   BTW, these ARE the reported burn times for my engine.  GEO 1 liter, with turbo, approximately

 75 HP, 107 lbft of torque, are purported to burn between 1.75 to 2.00 gallons per hour.  From what

 I've read and heard of those that have this engine installed and flying, these figures are reasonably close.

  

   But, as always, since I haven't actually flown my plane yet, I don't swear these numbers to be 

 accurate.  After I have experience, then I can speak from first-hand knowledge, but right now I am 

 only repeating what others have said about the GEO engine with turbo.

  

   In an automobile, (which weighs 1800 lbs) cruising down the highway at 60 mph, GEO Metros get almost

 50-55 mpg.  That is slightly more than 1 gallon per hour!!  In an airplane, several things are a little different, 

 and evidently lead to the fuel burn increase to just over 2 gallons per hour.  BUT!!  By adding a turbo, where 

 the power is increased, the fuel burn actually GOES DOWN!!  Reported burn supposedly goes DOWN to 1.75

 gph.

  

   As always, your mileage may vary......

  

 Best regards, 

  

 Mike Welch

  

 



 

   

 > Subject: Re: Balancing act for ailerons

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		   From: planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com

 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 05:43:51 -0700

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>

 

 Your flight time numbers are WAY OFF....

 

 4 hrs plus reserve on 10 gals ?

 

 3 extra hrs with 6 gal ??

 

 Gotta Fly..

 Mike & "Jaz" , chew'n 4 gals (plus) per hour

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 [quote="mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co"]Mike B., Rick, Ellery, & Mike & Jaz,

 

 Thanks a ton, guys, for your helpful tips. (But, seriously, did Jaz really help out much? Hmm?)

 Thanks especially to Mike B. for the Tony Bingelis article and Mike's Bigelow's counterbalance/aileron

 photos, and to Rick G. for the methodical steps involved.

 

 I have plenty of useful information to build the counterbalances.....and will wait until the aileron 

 is completely finished before "locking in" the final weight position.

 

 Muchas gracias, amigos.

 

 Just in case no one else asks, Mike B., yes, I'd like to see that extra 6 gallon tank setup.

 Maybe in the future, if the present 10 gallons (4+ hours plus reserve) I have isn't enough, 

 I may want to add an extra 3 hours of flying with the 6 gallon tank. 

 

 Mike Welch

 MkIII

 

 PS Has anyone ever heard of "Tar Baby?" Building my plane reminds me of Br'er Rabbit and Tar Baby.

 I can't seem to touch one thing...without having to get stuck doing something else. And the young guys 

 are saying "what the heck is a Tar Baby"!!

 

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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: Balancing act for ailerons

I had an old co-worker, soon to retire, whose favorite comment was:"I'ze goin' to de laughin' place"



Please forgive the non kolb entry.

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On 23, Mar 2008, at 7:43 AM, pj.ladd wrote:

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		  "what the heck is a Tar Baby"!!..

Hi

here is one old guy at least  who knows. But then I went to school when reading and writing where on the curiculum .`Brer Rabbit, he lay low   `

 

Cheers

 

Pat



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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: Balancing act for ailerons

Where did you get the turbo on the G10 (Fuel injected) and how much does it add in weight?  My fuel burn 3.0 gl/hr at 5000 rpm with re-ground cam and windage tray.  My slow cruise which is about 55 at 4000 rpm is around 2.5 gl/hr per hour.   Vic in Sacramento

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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Balancing act for ailerons

Build the plane with as little drag as you can, and dont get in a hurry and the Kolb MK III can cruise on very little power.  Im betting that using cables and eliminating the aileron tube going out to the wing will help reduce your drag a lot.   The efficiency of having EFI on that engine cant hurt either.   Don't know if it will be 2 GPH or not, but I bet your fuel usage on a Geo engine will be much lower than the Rotax guys.   



With my Rotax 912-S I plan around 4 GPH in my MK III at just under 70 MPH and 4200 RPM.   My Kolb will do 80 but my fuel burn goes way up and the turbulence gets much worse      I wish I knew how John H. got 85 MPH cruise out of his MK III, that is really fast !!!  I can do 85, but I am pushing almost to the firewall to get speed like that.



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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: Balancing act for ailerons

In a message dated 3/23/2008 7:29:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,  mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com writes:

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		       In an automobile, (which weighs 1800 lbs) cruising down the highway at 60 mph,    GEO Metros get almost

50-55 mpg.  That is slightly more    than 1 gallon per hour!!  In an airplane, several things are a    little different, 

and evidently lead to the fuel burn increase to just    over 2 gallons per hour 	


 

       Mike,

  

   I am curious where you are getting your info on the  mileage  figures on the Metro car as I will seriously consider trading my Toyota Yaris on  one, if they get 50 mpg, as I only get 36 or 37 mph on the highway.  I  flew my FireFly about 18 miles on 5 quarts of gas Saturday.  ( Just keepin  it Kolb related)

  

  

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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: Balancing act for ailerons

I wish I knew how John H. got 85 MPH cruise out of his MK III, that is 

really fast !!!  I can do 85, but I am pushing almost to the firewall to get 

speed like that.

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Probably the VGs slowing you down.  :-p

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