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sales(at)billandruth.net
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: New Lightning Demo

Hi All,

 

 The new demo aircraft sure looks great.  But, several questions come to mind from seeing what has been done with this latest Lightning produced by Arion.

 

 1.  Silver (?) paint versus white as the primary color.  Begs the question about composite aircraft colors and heat and its impact on the aircraft structure.

 

 2.  Viewing the canopy pictures I noticed that the support brackets appear to be only present on one side of the canopy support/pivot arms.  Is this another change/modification to how the canopy frame is attached and is there any beefup inside the canopy frame structure that makes this possible or what?

 

 Here's a general question for the list.  I'm considering a Trio autopilot system for my Lightning.  I'd like to hear from those who have them installed and what they have to say about them and autopilots in general on this aircraft.

 

 Thanks................Bill in Tucson, kit #49.

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Clive J

Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Posts: 340
Location: UK

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: New Lightning Demo

In the UK the PFA won't have silver paint on a composite. One guy tried

to convince them of it's reflective properties with data but no success.

Francesc used it on his Esqual demonstrators but they were carbon. 

BUT, take a look at all the Pulsars that are Green, dark red, even

black. 



Last time I groped a silver plane next to a white one there was only a

very small difference in surface temperature. 

Maybe this is special paint?



Sure looks good, ala Cirrus or is it the other one?



CJ



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dashvii(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: New Lightning Demo

Bill,

    I'm not sure what picture you are looking at, but the cockpit pics that Pete sent out to the list you can clearly see two brackets that hold the canopy frame up.  Something that does "appear" different from the first Lightnings is that the hinges appear to be closer together and of course the gas struts were placed further forward before the first customer plane was delivered to help the canopy open wider.  Brian W.

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		    Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:58:41 -0700

From: sales(at)billandruth.net

To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: New Lightning Demo

 Hi All,

The new demo aircraft sure looks great.  But, several questions come to mind from seeing what has been done with this latest Lightning produced by Arion.

1.  Silver (?) paint versus white as the primary color.  Begs the question about composite aircraft colors and heat and its impact on the aircraft structure.

2.  Viewing the canopy pictures I noticed that the support brackets appear to be only present on one side of the canopy support/pivot arms.  Is this another change/modification to how the canopy frame is attached and is there any beefup inside the canopy frame structure that makes this possible or what?

Here's a general question for the list.  I'm considering a Trio autopilot system for my Lightning.  I'd like to hear from those who have them installed and what they have to say about them and autopilots in general on this aircraft.

Thanks................Bill in Tucson, kit #49.

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sales(at)billandruth.net
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: New Lightning Demo

Hi Brian,

 

 In the pictures sent out by Pete it shows only one bracket holding each pivot arm to the canopy frame.  "Normally" the pivot arm is sandwiched between two brackets that mount to the canopy frame (total of four brackets).  This does not appear to be the case in the picture from the 27 March post...............Bill.

 

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    I'm not sure what picture you are looking at, but the cockpit pics that Pete sent out to the list you can clearly see two brackets that hold the canopy frame up.  Something that does "appear" different from the first Lightnings is that the hinges appear to be closer together and of course the gas struts were placed further forward before the first customer plane was delivered to help the canopy open wider.  Brian W.

   

   

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 From: sales(at)billandruth.net (sales(at)billandruth.net)

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 Subject: New Lightning Demo

     

          Hi All,

     

 The new demo aircraft sure looks great.  But, several questions come to mind from seeing what has been done with this latest Lightning produced by Arion.

     

 1.  Silver (?) paint versus white as the primary color.  Begs the question about composite aircraft colors and heat and its impact on the aircraft structure.

     

 2.  Viewing the canopy pictures I noticed that the support brackets appear to be only present on one side of the canopy support/pivot arms.  Is this another change/modification to how the canopy frame is attached and is there any beefup inside the canopy frame structure that makes this possible or what?

     

 Here's a general question for the list.  I'm considering a Trio autopilot system for my Lightning.  I'd like to hear from those who have them installed and what they have to say about them and autopilots in general on this aircraft.

     

 Thanks................Bill in Tucson, kit #49.

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leubanks(at)sunflower.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: New Lightning Demo

BUT, take a look at all the Pulsars that are Green, dark red, even

black. 



 I am a Pulsar driver and have been for many years. I have never seen a

Pulsar that was anything but white or light yellow for the main color.

It has always been recommended by the designer to keep them white only

due to the buildup of heat on dark colors. There was someone in a cooler

country than the US that had requested permission to paint one red but

don't think it came about. 

Larry

dashvii(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: New Lightning Demo

Red Pulsar:

 http://www.brecklandstrut.co.uk/galleries/pix/235-G-OKISTri-RKIS.jpg

 Yellow Pulsar:

 http://www.edws.de/piper/fotos/D-EPRK_2005-07-17_600x450.jpg

 Thi article mentions an Evergreen colored overall paint:

 http://www.pulsaraircraft.com/Aircraft/Pulsar%20III/Pulsar%20III%20Archive/Aero%20Design/AD%20Newsletter%20-%2035.pdf

 You're on your own for a black one....

  

  

 



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 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: New Lightning Demo

 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:27:56 -0600

 

 --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Larry Eubanks" <leubanks(at)sunflower.com>

 

 

 BUT, take a look at all the Pulsars that are Green, dark red, even

 black. 

 

 I am a Pulsar driver and have been for many years. I have never seen a

 Pulsar that was anything but white or light yellow for the main color.

 It has always been recommended by the designer to keep them white only

 due to the buildup of heat on dark colors. There was someone in a cooler

 country than the US that had requested permission to paint one red but

 don't think it came about. 

 Larry

 

 

 

 

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N1BZRich(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: New Lightning Demo

In a message dated 3/30/2008 5:05:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  sales(at)billandruth.net writes:

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		  is there    any beefup inside the canopy frame structure 	


 

 Bill,

     The new canopy frame is beefed up as you  suspected.  The entire structure is much more rigid and does not flex or  "move around" as you open it.  Add to that the new latching handle overhead  and you get a much better overall canopy design.  I think it even opens a  little wider making ingress easier.  On the photo that I 

 will add below you can also see the new instrument panel and instrument  panel cover.  The black panel cover is part of the airframe, and the gray  panel attaches to that.  The panel itself can be removed, but if you use  the large Grand Rapids EFIS you can pull one of them out to give yourself great  access to behind the panel.  The canopy latching mechanism is also a great  improvement as shown in the second photo.  

 Blue Skies,

 Buz

  

  

                 

  

  



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pequeajim

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 708
Location: New Holland, PA

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: New Lightning Demo

You know….  Looking at the pics of the Pulsar makes me like the Lightning shape even more.  While the Pulsar looked so cool to me about a year ago, the Lightning looks so much cleaner, and continues to get better as Arion makes little improvements along the way.  

   

I can’t wait to see what it looks like another year from now.  

       

From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Whittingham

 Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:48 PM

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: New Lightning Demo  

  

  

   

Red Pulsar:

 http://www.brecklandstrut.co.uk/galleries/pix/235-G-OKISTri-RKIS.jpg

 Yellow Pulsar:

 http://www.edws.de/piper/fotos/D-EPRK_2005-07-17_600x450.jpg

 Thi article mentions an Evergreen colored overall paint:

 http://www.pulsaraircraft.com/Aircraft/Pulsar%20III/Pulsar%20III%20Archive/Aero%20Design/AD%20Newsletter%20-%2035.pdf

 You're on your own for a black one....

  

  

 

 

 > From: leubanks(at)sunflower.com

 > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: RE: New Lightning Demo

 > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:27:56 -0600

 > 

 > --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Larry Eubanks" <leubanks(at)sunflower.com>

 > 

 > 

 > BUT, take a look at all the Pulsars that are Green, dark red, even

 > black. 

 > 

 > I am a Pulsar driver and have been for many years. I have never seen a

 > Pulsar that was anything but white or light yellow for the main color.

 > It has always been recommended by the designer to keep them white only

 > due to the buildup of heat on dark colors. There was someone in a cooler

 > country than the US that had requested permission to paint one red but

 > don't think it came about. 

 > Larry

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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: New Lightning Demo

Bill:  

   

On the autopilot thing.  Have you chosen your panel display, (gauges, or MFD/EFIS)?  

   

If you are thinking of a Dynon, or MGL, they both are developing a “plug in” autopilot that can be added to their existing systems.  I know that my MGL Odyssey will very shortly be able to drive servos with all the auto pilot functions running in software inside the unit.  

   

This is an exciting time with many new developments.  

   

Jim!  

       

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 Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 4:59 PM

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: New Lightning Demo  

  

  

   

Hi All,

 

 The new demo aircraft sure looks great.  But, several questions come to mind from seeing what has been done with this latest Lightning produced by Arion.

 

 1.  Silver (?) paint versus white as the primary color.  Begs the question about composite aircraft colors and heat and its impact on the aircraft structure.

 

 2.  Viewing the canopy pictures I noticed that the support brackets appear to be only present on one side of the canopy support/pivot arms.  Is this another change/modification to how the canopy frame is attached and is there any beefup inside the canopy frame structure that makes this possible or what?

 

 Here's a general question for the list.  I'm considering a Trio autopilot system for my Lightning.  I'd like to hear from those who have them installed and what they have to say about them and autopilots in general on this aircraft.

 

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leubanks(at)sunflower.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: New Lightning Demo

The first  picture is a Kis not a Pulsar, the second is light yellow that I mentioned does  exist. The third is Bon Hartlines very pale green Pulsar, not at all a dark  color. The designer still only recommends white for any areas that will get warm  and no amount of pictures will change that. Paint one black if you live in  Antarctica I suppose.

  I think  the lightning is a great looking plane or I wouldn't be lurking here but at this  point I can't afford all of the fast build components.I have more time than  money.  I built my Pulsar for 25 thousand and it works great for me but it  is still not in the class of the Lightning. The best I can do is 160 cruise at 4  gph (Jabiru 2200)  but it is small, with not a lot of room for passengers.  I will be at Sun N Fun so if you see a guy with a Pulsar hat drooling over the  Lightnings its probably me.

 Larry

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Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Posts: 340
Location: UK

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: New Lightning Demo

http://www.ppl.flyer.co.uk/pfa/page02.html, this black enough for you? There is also a maroon  one, can't imagine a white recomendation got past the PFA but anything is  possible I suppose. This one looks well glued... 

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From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com)]  On Behalf Of Brian Whittingham

Sent: 31 March 2008 00:48

To:  lightning-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: New Lightning  Demo



Red Pulsar:

http://www.brecklandstrut.co.uk/galleries/pix/235-G-OKISTri-RKIS.jpg

Yellow  Pulsar:

http://www.edws.de/piper/fotos/D-EPRK_2005-07-17_600x450.jpg

Thi  article mentions an Evergreen colored overall paint:

http://www.pulsaraircraft.com/Aircraft/Pulsar%20III/Pulsar%20III%20Archive/Aero%20Design/AD%20Newsletter%20-%2035.pdf

You're  on your own for a black one....





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 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject:  RE: New Lightning Demo

 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:27:56  -0600



 --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Larry  Eubanks"

 --> <leubanks(at)sunflower.com>

  BUT, take a look at all the Pulsars that are Green, dark red, even

  black.



 I am a Pulsar driver and have been for many years. I have  never seen a

 Pulsar that was anything but white or light yellow for the  main color.

 It has always been recommended by the designer to keep them  white only

 due to the buildup of heat on dark colors. There was someone  in a

 cooler country than the US that had requested permission to paint  one

 red but don't think it came about.

  Larry





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pequeajim

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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:42 am Post subject: New Lightning Demo

Sounds great Larry.  Hope to catch up with you.  

   

Jim!  

   

Drool all you want.   We’ve got plenty of rags…  

       

From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Eubanks

 Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 12:00 AM

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: New Lightning Demo  

  

  

     

The first picture is a Kis not a Pulsar, the second is light yellow that I mentioned does exist. The third is Bon Hartlines very pale green Pulsar, not at all a dark color. The designer still only recommends white for any areas that will get warm and no amount of pictures will change that. Paint one black if you live in Antarctica I suppose.  

    

 I think the lightning is a great looking plane or I wouldn't be lurking here but at this point I can't afford all of the fast build components.I have more time than money.  I built my Pulsar for 25 thousand and it works great for me but it is still not in the class of the Lightning. The best I can do is 160 cruise at 4 gph (Jabiru 2200)  but it is small, with not a lot of room for passengers. I will be at Sun N Fun so if you see a guy with a Pulsar hat drooling over the Lightnings its probably me.  

    

Larry  

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