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ashontz
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 Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Canopy issues and VGs |
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Gig, you're right, the CH601XL isn't the plane for me, the AS601XL-HD is the plane for me.  That's the beauty of homebuilding.
| Gig Giacona wrote: | Ashontz,
What if both of your legs are broken? What if a CH47 doesn't see you on the ramp and lands on top of you? What if gravity were to suddenly reverse itself and you were pushed into the deep reaches if interplanetary space?
I'm really beginning to think that the 601 might not be the plane for you. I've not noticed one feature of the aircraft you like. Not that I can think of any aircraft available at any price that would be as safe as you seem to require.
| ashontz wrote: | I'm just thinkin' I like the sound of some sort of door a lot better than a bubble canopy. A few months ago I had a bad back and could hardly get out of my car, I can't imagine trying to fumble around with two broken arms trying to work a swing stick to break the canopy.
Anybody ever watch World Most Shocking Videos? How about that guy trying to get out of the flaming dirt-track race buggy. That didn't look like too much fun, and his problem was his seatbelt was jammed or something like that.
| Gig Giacona wrote: | Well then you're screwed but only slightly more screwed than if you are stuck in your airplane sitting right-side up in your hanger with the canopy closed and with both arms broken.
| ashontz wrote: | What if both of your arms are broken?
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Terry Phillips
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 346
Location: Corvallis, MT
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: Canopy issues and VGs |
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Gosh, Andy, that'd really be a tough break, so to speak.
I guess that you just stick your head between your legs, grab the hammer
with your teeth, bash open the cockpit, chew off the seatbelt and shoulder
belts, and then propel yourself with your feet to the nearest shore.
Oh wait, I forgot about the fire! Before you do all that, you use your
teeth to grab the fire extinguisher, set it between your knees, aim it with
your knees at the fire, then use your teeth to squeeze the trigger until
you get the fire out.
Of course, these maneuvers aren't for wimps. I recommend that you engage in
regular yoga practice to loosen up. The most appropriate pose is shown here:
http://www.geocities.com/donrosenberger/faculty/injurytype.jpg
Good luck.
Terry
At 09:38 AM 3/31/2008 -0700, you wrote:
| Quote: | What if both of your arms are broken?
[quote="Terry Phillips"]One solution for exiting an overturned 601 is an
escape tool, e.g.,
http://www.geo-tools.com/pick20.htm (http://www.geo-tools.com/pick20.htm)
mounted securely in a place where you can reach it when your hanging
upside down by your seatbelts. It's like a fire extinguisher--you hope
you'll never need it, but, if you do need it, you'll be glad you got it.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
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Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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Tim Juhl
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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Location: "Thumb" of Michigan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Canopy issues and VGs |
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RE: Ditching & escape - I think if you wanted out bad enough you would find a way, broken arms or not - I would think a few good kicks would do the trick. This discussion has got me thinking so when I get to the canopy installation part I'll have to take a close look at how easy it is to release the canopy when there is pressure on it.
Most of my flying has been in high wing aircraft which means the cabin will be underwater when the plane comes to rest. For that reason, my plan was to unlatch the doors in flight and when they spring open push the handle to the latched position so there is a bar keeping them from closing. In a high wing you have to let the cabin fill with water before you'll be able to get the doors open and I'd rather have the cabin fill quickly rather than when the airplane has started on it's way to the bottom. I may be wrong but I would think that the XL might be easier to get out of after a ditching than my C182 would have been.
Frank is certainly correct inasmuch as you're only getting out with whatever you have tied to you. In addition to the lifejacket I have a bag with a strobe, flares, dye, etc. The other thing to think about is that calling mayday on 121.5 might not do much good in many areas. For example, when I cross the northern part of Lake Michigan I prefer the tower frequency at Traverse City. They have a direct line to the USCG chopper base on the field. Other than that, I usually prefer approach or center radar over 121.5. I think there is a better chance that someone will be listening.
In my 33 years of flying I have flown over some pretty remote and / or inhospitable country and wide expanses of water... all single engine. I've given a lot of thought to survival issues and even took a summer and winter survival course put on by some guys associated with USAF pararescue..... The main thing is you've got to have a plan. Waiting until things go bad is a recipe for disaster.
Sorry to drag this out so much.
Tim
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: Canopy issues and VGs |
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What if ?
What if you didnt have legs or arms and went swimming in the ocean. Would
they call you "Bob"???
If a woman pilot had only one leg, what would you think her name is ??
Ilean
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ashontz
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Canopy issues and VGs |
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I'm just raising questions that othes can ponder. Your mocking my thinking out loud confirms your lack of awareness. If your doctor told you to quit eating red meat and cut down on the carbs lest you have a heart attack or stroke, would you mock him in the same way? Maybe you won't have a heart attack or stroke, but those things definitely don't help. Again, would you mock him in a "in your face" kind of way? Doubtful.
[quote="Terry Phillips"]Gosh, Andy, that'd really be a tough break, so to speak.
I guess that you just stick your head between your legs, grab the hammer
with your teeth, bash open the cockpit, chew off the seatbelt and shoulder
belts, and then propel yourself with your feet to the nearest shore.
Oh wait, I forgot about the fire! Before you do all that, you use your
teeth to grab the fire extinguisher, set it between your knees, aim it with
your knees at the fire, then use your teeth to squeeze the trigger until
you get the fire out.
Of course, these maneuvers aren't for wimps. I recommend that you engage in
regular yoga practice to loosen up. The most appropriate pose is shown here:
http://www.geocities.com/donrosenberger/faculty/injurytype.jpg
Good luck.
Terry
At 09:38 AM 3/31/2008 -0700, you wrote:
| Quote: | What if both of your arms are broken?
| Terry Phillips wrote: | One solution for exiting an overturned 601 is an
escape tool, e.g.,
http://www.geo-tools.com/pick20.htm (http://www.geo-tools.com/pick20.htm)
mounted securely in a place where you can reach it when your hanging
upside down by your seatbelts. It's like a fire extinguisher--you hope
you'll never need it, but, if you do need it, you'll be glad you got it.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
do not archive
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Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ |
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Larry Hursh
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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Location: Edwardsburg, MI (near Elkhart, IN)
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: Canopy issues and VGs |
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Gosh, I'm getting a STRONG SENSE of male testosterone floating around this forum......boys, can you please use each others email address and take this off forum?? I personal don't like reading things like this - its foolish - selfish - and extremely egotistical. Please beat each other up on YOUR TIME and quit wasting my time to have to read such nonsense.
Larry Hursh
ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org> wrote:
[quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz"
I'm just raising questions that othes can ponder. Your mocking my thinking out loud confirms your lack of awareness. If your doctor told you to quit eating red meat and cut down on the carbs lest you have a heart attack or stroke, would you mock him in the same way? Maybe you won't have a heart attack or stroke, but those things definitely don't help. Again, would you mock him in a "in your face" kind of way? Doubtful.
[quote="Terry Phillips"]Gosh, Andy, that'd really be a tough break, so to speak.
I guess that you just stick your head between your legs, grab the hammer
with your teeth, bash open the cockpit, chew off the seatbelt and shoulder
belts, and then propel yourself with your feet to the nearest shore.
Oh wait, I forgot about the fire! Before you do all that, you use your
teeth to grab the fire extinguisher, set it between your knees, aim it with
your knees at the fire, then use your teeth to squeeze the trigger until
you get the fire out.
Of course, these maneuvers aren't for wimps. I recommend that you engage in
regular yoga practice to loosen up. The most appropriate pose is shown here:
http://www.geocities.com/donrosenberger/faculty/injurytype.jpg
Good luck.
Terry
At 09:38 AM 3/31/2008 -0700, you wrote:
[quote] What if both of your arms are broken?
Terry Phillips wrote:
> One solution for exiting an overturned 601 is an
> escape tool, e.g.,
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> http://www.geo-tools.com/pick20.htm (http://www.geo-tools.com/pick20.htm)
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> mounted securely in a place where you can reach it when your hanging
> upside down by your seatbelts. It's like a fire extinguisher--you hope
> you'll never need it, but, if you do need it, you'll be glad you got it.
>
>
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> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> do not archive
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Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
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austria
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Canopy issues and VGs |
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Does anybody have plans to make the canopy eject-able?
Thanks.
Austria
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Terry Phillips
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: Canopy issues and VGs |
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Larry is right.
My response was not appropriate. I apologize to Andy. Let's build airplanes.
Terry
At 05:45 PM 3/31/2008 -0700, you wrote:
| Quote: | Gosh, I'm getting a STRONG SENSE of male testosterone floating around this forum......boys, can you please use each others email address and take this off forum?? I personal don't like reading things like this - its foolish - selfish - and extremely egotistical. Please beat each other up on YOUR TIME and quit wasting my time to have to read such nonsense.
Larry Hursh
ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz"
I'm just raising questions that othes can ponder. Your mocking my thinking out loud confirms your lack of awareness. If your doctor told you to quit eating red meat and cut down on the carbs lest you have a heart attack or stroke, would you mock him in the same way? Maybe you won't have a heart attack or stroke, but those things definitely don't help. Again, would you mock him in a "in your face" kind of way? Doubtful.
[quote="Terry Phillips"]Gosh, Andy, that'd really be a tough break, so to speak.
I guess that you just stick your head between your legs, grab the hammer with your teeth, bash open the cockpit, chew off the seatbelt and shoulder belts, and then propel yourself with your feet to the nearest shore.
Oh wait, I forgot about the fire! Before you do all that, you use your teeth to grab the fire extinguisher, set it between your knees, aim it with your knees at the fire, then use your teeth to squeeze the trigger until you get the fire out.
Of course, these maneuvers aren't for wimps. I recommend that you engage in regular yoga practice to loosen up. The most appropriate pose is shown here:
http://www.geocities.com/donrosenberger/faculty/injurytype.jpg
Good luck.
Terry
At 09:38 AM 3/31/2008 -0700, you wrote:
> What if both of your arms are broken? > |
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ [quote][b]
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: Canopy issues and VGs |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> I don't know if anyone has actually done it, but I explored the idea some time back. I figured that if you could convert the canopy pivot bolts to something like linch pins, and insert them from inside out, with two cables and a pull-handle, you could unlock, pull the handle, and the canopy would fly away on its own lift. But I couldn't think of any real reason to eject my canopy in flight. And, a BRS would deal with catastrophic failure, so I filed the idea away.
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