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w8n2bup

Joined: 09 Apr 2008
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Location: Kansas City Area

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: new member questions

Having just signed up last night, I'm not certain that I am posting this question properly, and would appreciate any pointers as to where I should request future inquiries. I am building a 601XL. Finished all of the tail,ailerons,flaps and now working on the right wing. I was looking for any comments about the 1 1/2 inch hole cut out of the rear channel for the aileron rod. The plans call for the center of the hole to be 20 mm up from the flange. The radius is 19 mm. Due to the curve taking up about 2 mm, this would cause the hole to cut down into the curve of the flange about 1 mm. The plant in Mexico, Mo. said that that was OK, but the picture in my photo guide does not appear to show the hole cut down into the flange. Wondered if there is plenty of room to raise this hole up a mil or so or should I cut it into the curve? Thanks. John  johnrich(at)everestkc.net

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Rickey B.

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: new member questions

Having just signed up last night, I'm not certain that I am posting this

question properly, and would appreciate any pointers as to where I

should request future inquiries. I am building a 601XL. Finished all of

the tail,ailerons,flaps and now working on the right wing. I was looking

for any comments about the 1 1/2 inch hole cut out of the rear channel

for the aileron rod. The plans call for the center of the hole to be 20

mm up from the flange. The radius is 19 mm. Due to the curve taking up

about 2 mm, this would cause the hole to cut down into the curve of the

flange about 1 mm. The plant in Mexico, Mo. said that that was OK, but

the picture in my photo guide does not appear to show the hole cut down

into the flange. Wondered if there is plenty of room to raise this hole

up a mil or so or should I cut it into the curve? Thanks. John

johnrich(at)everestkc.net

	Go ahead and cut the hole just above the curve of the bend. You

will still have plenty of clearance for the control rod when it is

finished. 

								Rick

Beckman	

								601 xl

52EB (res.)

								729 MSL

and sinking	

	

www.sharbo.us/thebird

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Terry Phillips

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 346
Location: Corvallis, MT

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: new member questions

John



I was recently asking myself the same question. Andy Elliott recently 

speculated on this list whether the hole resulted in a weak spot in the 

rear spar. See:



http://members.cox.net/n601ge/drawings/rearspar.html



I looked at the wing of a friend's QBK (see attached photo). The hole (done 

by the QBK factory) was right at the bend to the flange. But, it looked to 

me that it could have been ~5-mm higher and still had good clearance for 

the control rod. That said, the aileron was not yet mounted on the wing, 

and it wasn't  under load, so I could be wrong about that.



I decided to move my hole up ~5-mm, but when I cut the hole it ended up 

only 3-mm higher than plans. Hopefully that will work fine.



Terry

At 07:10 AM 4/10/2008 -0700, you wrote:

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		  Having just signed up last night, I'm not certain that I am posting this 

question properly, and would appreciate any pointers as to where I should 

request future inquiries. I am building a 601XL. Finished all of the 

tail,ailerons,flaps and now working on the right wing. I was looking for 

any comments about the 1 1/2 inch hole cut out of the rear channel for the 

aileron rod. The plans call for the center of the hole to be 20 mm up from 

the flange. The radius is 19 mm. Due to the curve taking up about 2 mm, 

this would cause the hole to cut down into the curve of the flange about 1 

mm. The plant in Mexico, Mo. said that that was OK, but the picture in my 

photo guide does not appear to show the hole cut down into the flange. 

Wondered if there is plenty of room to raise this hole up a mil or so or 

should I cut it into the curve? Thanks. John  johnrich(at)everestkc.net


	




Terry Phillips

ttp44~at~rkymtn.net

Corvallis MT

601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons 

are done; working on the wings

http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/

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Tim Juhl

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Posts: 488
Location: "Thumb" of Michigan

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: Re: new member questions

I believe that the hole as specified in the plans is larger than it need be.  I would suggest going a smaller and then clecoing the aileron in place and connecting it to the bellcrank with the pushrod.  Run the aileron to it's limits and you will see exactly what you need.  You can always make it a little larger once you've seen the fit.



There is plenty of support around this area but why remove more metal than necessary?  That said, be sure to allow enough wiggle room so there is no chance of binding in the hole.  I've attached a pix of what I found would work for me... your experience may differ.



Tim

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: new member questions

As have several other scratch builders, I spliced my rear spars to facilitate bending shorter pieces and installed a doubler to join the halves. .The splice doubler also serves to strengthen the area around the aileron linkage hole. I don't know why you couldn't rivet a doubler of six inches or so to beef up a one piece spar in that area. And no, I'm not an Astronaut, Engineer, Airplane designer, or professional bowler, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express one night.



Terry Turnquist

601XL-Plans

Terry Phillips <ttp44(at)rkymtn.net> wrote:[quote] John



I was recently asking myself the same question. Andy Elliott recently 

speculated on this list whether the hole resulted in a weak spot in the 

rear spar. See:



http://members.cox.net/n601ge/drawings/rearspar.html



I looked at the wing of a friend's QBK (see  attached photo). The hole (done 

by the QBK factory) was right at the bend to the flange. But, it looked to 

me that it could have been ~5-mm higher and still had good clearance for 

the control rod. That said, the aileron was not yet mounted on the wing, 

and it wasn't  under load, so I could be wrong about that.



I decided to move my hole up ~5-mm, but when I cut the hole it ended up 

only 3-mm higher than plans. Hopefully that will work fine.



Terry

At 07:10 AM 4/10/2008 -0700, you wrote:

[quote]Having just signed up last night, I'm not certain that I am posting this 

question properly, and would appreciate any pointers as to where I should 

request future inquiries. I am building a 601XL. Finished all of the 

tail,ailerons,flaps and now working on the right wing. I was looking for 

any comments about the 1 1/2 inch hole cut out of the rear channel for the 

aileron rod. The plans call for the [quote][b]

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