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Carlos Sa
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Progress report:
Last year wasn't good for my project: too much work and traveling, leaving little time for building.
Thankfully, things slowed down the past few weeks, and I was able to complete the right wing panel (complete as much as we can in Canada, as it needs to be inspected before final closing).
(See attached picture (1.06 MB) )
Polishing skins for the left wing has started (2.2 sqft / h).
Carlos
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: airplane building, anyone? |
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Lay off the polishing compound, you're making the rest of us look bad!!!
Great work, keep us posted. I am thinking about going sans paint as well, I can only hope it will look that good!
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Tim Juhl
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: airplane building, anyone? |
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Yep, thanks for asking, Carlos. Gee, that skin looks like a mirror! Good job!
As for me, today I removed the fuselage pieces of my XL from the heated part of my hangar and began assembling them in the main area. Only recently have the temps in Michigan warmed up to the point where such a move is practical. Hopefully the fuselage will soon take shape and perhaps I'll be able to join all the parts together before the snow comes again.
Tim
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chris Sinfield
Joined: 28 Nov 2006
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Location: Sydney Australia
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: airplane building, anyone? |
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Yes I am ..
I am building a zodiac Xl and proud of it..
I intend to take my kids in it , just as nick H has his kids in it on a daily basis.
How far am I up to.. Well fitting the canopy, wires and FWF..
YES i WILL put a Jab3300 in it and fly it NVFR here down under.
I am Engines Airframe by trade and very happy with the XL design and I even have wing lockers.
Now everyone Go Build and go fly..
Chris
Sydney Australia
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kmccune
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: Re: airplane building, anyone? |
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Very nice finish!
Are the metal leading wing tops in the plans? I'll have to go back over them as I don't want white on the ends of polished wings.
Kevin
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Kevin Bonds
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Location: Nashville, Tn
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: airplane building, anyone? |
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Kevin
Carlos is building an HD. They have the different wing tips, I believe.
Kevin
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Are the metal leading wing tops in the plans? I'll have to go back over them as
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kmccune
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: Re: airplane building, anyone? |
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Rats, But I assume it could be done the same way, Its just nicer looking IMHO.
Kevin
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Carlos Sa
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: Re: airplane building, anyone? |
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(1) The all-metal wing tip is not in the plans (HD/HDS or XL) - but it is fairly easy to make. And I don't think it would be much different for the XL.
If anyone want details, let me know.
(2) I posted a picture of the wing locker a while back, still accessible:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123712#123712
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Kevin Bonds
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: airplane building, anyone? |
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No. I'm with you. I thought the same thing. But you would lose the effect of the Horner tip. What would be really cool would be to shape an aluminum horner tip.
Kevin Bonds
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Rats, But I assume it could be done the same way, Its just nicer looking IMHO.
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Carlos Sa
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: Re: airplane building, anyone? |
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Kevin, the Horner tip is still there. See attached picture - a bit older, before polishing and riveting.
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Tim Juhl
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: Re: airplane building, anyone? |
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I'm sure this has been hashed over before, but has anyone ever weighed their XL before and after to see how much extra weight a typical paint job adds?
Tim
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: airplane building, anyone? |
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Hi Tim,
I don't have the actual numbers, but I would guess the painted weight
might be 10 or 20 pounds more than the bare weight. You need only a
gallon or two of paint to do the exterior and most of the weight of
the paint is in the solvents. Even if the whole weight of the two
gallons of paint were added to the plane that would only be 20 pounds or so.
Paul
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At 11:47 AM 4/11/2008, you wrote:
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weighed their XL before and after to see how much extra weight a
typical paint job adds?
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Kevin Bonds
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: airplane building, anyone? |
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I stand corrected. I guess I misunderstood what a horner tip was
exactly. I've read CH's description of it, but thought that the
fiberglass tip was more concave than it actually is. I see that now. I
am plans building, and haven't made the wingtips yet, so I do not have
an example to hold in my hands. Thanks for setting me straight.
Kevin Bonds
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Kevin, the Horner tip is still there. See attached picture - a bit older, before polishing and riveting.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: airplane building, anyone? |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITY ALERT, ALERT, ALERT! Here's an opportunity for someone who's good with fiberglass--How about creating a set of Horner tips we can slip on the ends of the wings? Cutting those (&^&*#$% ([email]&%$#(at)#$%[/email])^& contours nearly drove me crazy....although for me its a short putt. All it would take to attach them would be an additional rib at the (squared) outer end of the aileron, and you could slip them on a la Cessna.
Paul Rodriguez
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: airplane building, anyone? |
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I do fiberglass projects. Build and sell on eBay a nose wheel fairing that attaches to the top of the wheel pant. I got ta tell ya, it aint easy to make moulds and produce fiberglass products...
After you do make moulds and then the finished product the retail price will kill you.... Thats why Cessna, Piper etc sells their tips at $700 or more....
SW
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kmccune
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: airplane building, anyone? |
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The horner tip is not the swooped (good word  ) front part , it is the angle.
20 lbs of paint is a big deal I think it may be more on really cool (metallic and clear coat) paint jobs.
Ask around to find out how many 701s come in at 580 or even 600 lbs. Instruments/avionics and paint are your biggies apart from engine choices.
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kmccune
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: airplane building, anyone? |
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???? both spellings and pic from:
http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/design/design.html
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John Bolding
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: airplane building, anyone? |
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Speaking of Hoerner tips, does anyone know where I can find the layout lines
for building a set of molds for these tips. I was SURE my old RV3 drawings
had them but no joy. Have searched thru most of the well known aero design
books but no joy yet. I can get close with reverse engineering off my RV or
a Grumman but I'd rather start from scratch. Thanks John
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kmccune
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: airplane building, anyone? |
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This from the Savannah site I know, but kinda applies!
Empty weight 912ULS 607lbs
Post Script:
A luxuriously-equipped, factory-built, ready-to-fly Savannah including a Rotax 912ULS (100hp) engine, painted
with two coats of primer and 3 coats of solid polyurethane enamel, with radio, transponder, intercom, GPS, turn
coordinator, trim indicator, strobe/nav lights, ELT, and dual stick grips, and incorporating all standard equipment
and fluid levels, typically weighs 655lbs. Add full fuel of 21 gallons (126lbs.) for a ramp weight of 781lbs. This
leaves a payload of 453 lbs. for pilot, passenger and baggage.
Remember higher Savannah gross rating... somehow ???
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