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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: To Matt D

If you do start a new list for each model Zenith  you might want to include only people who have a serial number assigned to  them.

  

 Example:  Steve Weston

             #   6-6960

  

 This will keep the experts who  dont have a  clue AWAY from real builders.....

  

 SW

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MHerder

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: Re: To Matt D

The only flaw with your logic is that you don't have to be smart to get a serial #, you just have to have  $395.  , perhaps Zenith could regulate this with some form of standardized testing.

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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: To Matt D

But with a $395 set of plans the person will have a vested interest.    A 

list that has no "requirements" to join allows anybody to inject ideas 

without really caring...



SW

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JohnDRead(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: To Matt D

Now that is a GOOD idea.

  

 John  Read



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  In a message dated 4/11/2008 10:16:24 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net writes:

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		     If you do start a new list for each model Zenith    you might want to include only people who have a serial number assigned to    them.

    

   Example:  Steve Weston

               #     6-6960

    

   This will keep the experts who  dont have a    clue AWAY from real builders.....

    

   SW

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carlossa52(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: To Matt D

On the other hand, potential builders will be prevented from learning from the list before they decide to take the plunge.

I joined this list, as many others did (and do) before I had committed to the 601. I even bought my plans from a subscriber that changed his mind on his design of choice (went the RV route).

 

So, I don't think this fixes anything.

The only remedy I see is judicious application of the delete key - which, on my PC, is getting a real workout in the past several months...



Carlos

CH601-HD, plans

 



On 11/04/2008, steve <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net (notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net)> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net (notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net)>

 

 But with a $395 set of plans the person will have a vested interest.    A list that has no "requirements" to join allows anybody to inject ideas without really caring...

 

 SW[b]

n4546v(at)mindspring.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: To Matt D

On the other hand, if a goup of retired Lockheed, Boeing, Northrup & Grumman

Aeronautical Engineers heard of the interest in a design review, (as I

gather is desired by the 601 Builders?) and volunteered their help, they

would then be turned away because they haven't purchased plans?



Regards,



Randy, Las Vegas



Opps, there I go again, a 701 guy crossing model lines to comment on 601

issues!  Sorry!  Overlap again?



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stutzman(at)stutzman.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: To Matt D

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008, steve wrote:



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		   If you do start a new list for each model Zenith you might want to 

 include only people who have a serial number assigned to them.



 Example:  Steve Weston

            #  6-6960



 This will keep the experts who  dont have a clue AWAY from real builders.....


	


It will also keep away a number of potential builders.



I've been lurking on this list for more years than I care to think about. 

I've been looking to build for a long time.  The 701 is on my very short 

list.  But so are several other planes.  If I couldn't get a feel of the 

builder community, I'd probably scratch that plane off my list.

Frank Stutzman

Bonanza N494B     "Hula Girl"

Boise, ID

notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: To Matt D

Yet Randy.  Know that everyone who says that they are engineers and in fact 

are  NOT.

Do you know  engineers?  I m not one but know a few.  Some are goofy.  Most 

are excellent sources for advise...



Steve W.

"Rocket Scientist extradornire"

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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: To Matt D

Frank I basically agree with you, but do you agree that if someone who 

doesnt know much about Zenith   should not inject ideas on how to build a 

Zenith ??

That seems to be the problem on most websites.  People who dont know and 

give advise.

ei,  I m a Cessna pilot.  Your V tail is dangerous because they had tail 

failures.  I will not fly a Bonanza.  Oh by the way, I m a Cessna dealer and 

if you want I ll make you a deal.   Come on down to my showroom.

Bring the kids, bring the wife, well dicker....

SW



Its a joke,  I love Bonanzas.....

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Kevin Bonds

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 171
Location: Nashville, Tn

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: To Matt D

I think, at this point, we are scaring away more folks than not. I'm not totally in the "everything is hunky dory" camp myself but, I do worry about the damage that is being caused to the Zenith reputation. I'm not going to speculate and spread my own paranoia around. Though, neither am I going to cuss anyone out--for being human and having a little paranoia in such a situation as this. I wish everyone would just have some tact about what they say. Maybe those who want to discuss making mods to their own aircraft can set up a chat session or yahoo group. I would probably participate in that. I have my suspicions that some of those who are flaming and raising a ruckus wouldn't let that group alone though either. 



Kevin Bonds (if that is my real name)

http://home.comcast.com/~kevinbonds (so you know I am a builder)

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From: Frank Stutzman <stutzman(at)stutzman.com>

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 On Fri, 11 Apr 2008, steve wrote:

 

  If I couldn't get a feel of the 
	


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		   builder community, I'd probably scratch that plane off my list.

 

 

 Frank Stutzman

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stutzman(at)stutzman.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: To Matt D

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008, steve wrote:



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 Frank I basically agree with you, but do you agree that if someone who doesnt 

 know much about Zenith   should not inject ideas on how to build a Zenith ??

 That seems to be the problem on most websites.  People who dont know and give 

 advise.


	


Well, I agree, it certainly would be nice if people who were not 

knowlegable about a subject kept their opinions to themselves.



However in my limited years on this planet, thats just not the way the 

human race works.  Wether its building an airplane or picking a watermelon 

at the grocery store, I can always find someone who claims to know more 

the topic than I do.  Maybe they do, maybe they don't.  Its up to me to

decide wether to take their advice or not.



Frank Stutzman

Bonanza N494B     "Hula Girl"

Boise, ID

ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: To Matt D

Come on Steve,   "Experts" are part of the "flavor"   in any list 

   

  Like the Mother in Law comments about raising your own children .     

   

  Saludos

  Gary Gower.

  Do not archive. PLEASE!



steve <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net> wrote:

  [quote]        If you do start a new list for each model Zenith you might want to include only people who have a serial number assigned to them.

   

  Example:  Steve Weston

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minoxphotographer(at)yaho
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: To Matt D

Yeah, there ya go!  Be sure to keep away those interested but haven't

bought a manual yet.  Keep away those (like me) who have been following

the list for nearly 2 years, who have been to the rudder workshop, and

have been saving their $$ to move on, while at the same time trying to

learn.  There ya go....maybe you can find some MORE ways to make flying

even more directed to the elite!



Hey..Matt..I'm in on the new 701/801 list (if I'm allowed w/o my serial

number) Seperating the lists is the best idea I've heard today.



Tim in Bovey



"Time:	09:15:25 AM PST US

From:	"steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net>

Subject:	To Matt D

      

      If you do start a new list for each model Zenith you might want

to 

      include only people who have a serial number assigned to them.

      

      Example:  Steve Weston

                  #  6-6960

      

      This will keep the experts who  dont have a clue AWAY from real 

      builders.....

      

      SW"



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maarten versteeg

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Posts: 37
Location: San Antonio

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: To Matt D

Hello All,



I would like to keep the single Zenith list.

I am a 601 plans builder, but have learned a lot from 701

discussions since there is a lot of commonality  between

the 601 and 701 design. And yes, there are differences in

the details but the general construction techniques, tools

used and procedures are all the same.



Regards,

	Maarten Versteeg

	601 XL plans building, still first wing



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Ron Lendon

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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: Re: To Matt D

WOW!  I have been away to SnF 2008 for a week of living outdoors and no computers, yes it can be done, and missed all this, thank god.



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