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tbonsell(at)luxuria.com
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 Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: 701 throttle rods |
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Hi guys, me again.
I'm getting close to finishing, but the instructions sort of leave out
the instrument panel. I've got Dave Thompson's cool Visio template's,
but I still need to know where the throttle rods come through. If the
throttle rods are perpendicular to the panel and firewall, they end up
a lot closer to the center of the panel than I've seen in some builder
photos. If you take the rods outboard of perpendicular, don't their
pivots bind as they sweep through their range? Or are you guys bending
the rods to make them perpendicular at the firewall? And where should
the choke come through the panel?
Thanks!
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psm(at)ATT.NET
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: 701 throttle rods |
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Hi Tony,
I am building a 601, but I suspect the situation is similar to the 701.
First let me say that I believe the kit plane industry standard for
completion of a kit only addresses the airframe. This leaves the
remaining tasks for getting a flying plane to the kit builder. These
tasks include installing the engine and controls, designing and
creating the instrument panel and all its contents, paint,
upholstery, and probably lots of other things I haven't yet encountered.
I bought a firewall-forward kit along with a new Jabiru engine for my
XL. I have been extremely disappointed with the poor documentation
and shaky design of the kit contents. The linkages for throttle and
other engine compartment items needed to be redesigned (by me) to
make them work without binding. I have completed the process for the
throttle and accepted a little rough handling of the choke. I don't
feel cheated by the FWF supplier because the kit brought me from
completely lost to having ideas that didn't work well but could be
modified to work properly. On the other hand, the experience did
make it clear to me that the design and support from Zenith is top
notch compared to other companies in the kit plane industry.
I don't know how you can get the needed help to get the engine
controls running smoothly. Perhaps you can use expertise from a
local EAA chapter. I would personally try to help if it was
practical, but I suspect this would be difficult over the Internet
since I have no knowledge of the 701 design. If you want to write to
me off list with specifics of the throttle problem perhaps I can make
some useful comment on how to get "There" from "Here".
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 09:11 AM 4/11/2008, you wrote:
| Quote: | Hi guys, me again.
I'm getting close to finishing, but the instructions sort of leave out
the instrument panel. I've got Dave Thompson's cool Visio template's,
but I still need to know where the throttle rods come through. If the
throttle rods are perpendicular to the panel and firewall, they end up
a lot closer to the center of the panel than I've seen in some builder
photos. If you take the rods outboard of perpendicular, don't their
pivots bind as they sweep through their range? Or are you guys bending
the rods to make them perpendicular at the firewall? And where should
the choke come through the panel?
Thanks!
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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: 701 throttle rods |
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Paul
I ve been building airplanes since 1967 (thereabouts).
What I ve concluded is this.
If you've been around airplanes and see how "its" supposed to be done, then
doing mods or experiments can be rewarding. Maybe you will come up with a
better way of doing things.
BUT, if you totally new to this avocation its best to go by the book.
Pity the guy who lives waaay out in the boondocks and has never seen the
cowl removed from an airplane....
Actually you can spot these builders at flyinns because things like panel
wiring look like a ball of spaghetti noodles....
Newbie's, in my opinion, need to copy other experienced builders or
manufacturers.
Again, when the newbie has experience then he/she can go off on their own
designing a "better mousetrap"..
My Jabiru FWF package had everything need to complete the project. Yet I m
sure glad I have experience with Jabiru installations. My first was an
adventure... My new 3300A went smoothly and I love Jabiru....
Steve Weston
6-6960
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ronlee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: 701 throttle rods |
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I am flying a 701 I built with a 912uls engine. I now have over 100 hours on it.
At about 75 hours I decided to remove the right hand throttle rod completely. I decided that it wasn't necessary, as the passenger could very easily reach over and operate the one on the left side. I blocked off that hole in the firewall. I latter utilized that hole to run some wires through so it wasn't a waste. At that time I changed my friction throttle cable over to the vernier type, the one with the button that has to be depressed or turned to move the throttle setting. I like this much better then the friction throttle. More then once the throttle would advance when on the ground or in the air, downright dangerous. I no longer have that problem, it will not move unless I want it to.
Ron lee
Tucson, AZ
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carlossa52(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: 701 throttle rods |
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Hello, Ron
Do you have a picture or part number?
Carlos
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On 11/04/2008, ronlee <rlee468(at)comcast.net (rlee468(at)comcast.net)> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronlee" <rlee468(at)comcast.net (rlee468(at)comcast.net)>
I am flying a 701 I built with a 912uls engine. I now have over 100 hours on it.
At about 75 hours I decided to remove the right hand throttle rod completely. I decided that it wasn't necessary, as the passenger could very easily reach over and operate the one on the left side. I blocked off that hole in the firewall. I latter utilized that hole to run some wires through so it wasn't a waste. At that time I changed my friction throttle cable over to the vernier type, the one with the button that has to be depressed or turned to move the throttle setting. I like this much better then the friction throttle. More then once the throttle would advance when on the ground or in the air, downright dangerous. I no longer have that problem, it will not move unless I want it to.
Ron lee
Tucson, AZ
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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ronlee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: 701 throttle rods |
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Carlos,
I got the control from Aircraft Spruce.
A-790 Vernier Control.
ACS part number is 05-08348 $52.50. This is the 4 foot one, the three footer may be long enough though. It's part number is 05-08336, same price in my book.
Be careful when you shorten it as it is easy to loose the ball bearing. It will fall out if you pull the handle out too far.
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