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peteohms
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The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
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Tom Jones
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Small Side window? |
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[quote="peteohms"]The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
Pete, the instructions say Poly-Tak. be ready when you brush it on. You have about 15 or 20 seconds to get the fabric in place before the Poly-tak sets up.
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I used clear double sided "rubbery" tape from the Home Depot aircraft dept. Some sort of 3M stuff.
Maxwell
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Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: Small Side window? |
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Is it possible to dope it in the same as inspection hole strengtheners are?
The guy who built my plane sewed my rear windows in.
Noel
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Subject: Small Side window?
The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: Small Side window? |
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Look at it again, Noel, and you may find that the windows were sewn
onto a "flange" of fabric which is then glued...with Poly-tak...to
the fuselage tubes. It's been two years since I did this area of my
plane, so I may have forgotten just what got glued to what, but
that's the method of attachment that my windows came with.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
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I used good ol' Super Glue--worked great. Too much side-slipping agitated my window and it started breaking at the stitching. Has been fine ever since.
Stan Specht
Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
49 states and 1300+ hours on a 912ul
Denver, Colorado
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peteohms
Joined: 31 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: Small Side window? |
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Well, I fixed the side window with something called E-6000 from Hobby Lobby craft store. I've used it in RC planes. It is like Goop but thinner. The window was 70% pulled away from the wall. I think it is strong as new.
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That must have been a sight to watch ......LOL
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In a message dated 4/8/2008 5:01:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca writes:
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The guy who built my plane sewed my rear windows in.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:17 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Small Side window?
The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
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My 5 has an aluminum frame, fabric over the outside, window on the inside and riveted through the aluminum frame, large holes, large head aluminum rivets and backing washers.
Lloyd
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The guy who built my plane sewed my rear windows in.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Christensen
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To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Small Side window?
The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: Small Side window? |
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Lynn:
I don't know how he did it but the clear glass which is little more than
plastic is glued and stitched to the inside of the cloth. The stitches are
consistent enough to know they were definitely machine made. There is tape
on the outside so I expect that your idea of attaching the cloth (a small
piece) to the frame and then doping the rest of the cloth to it is probably
how it was done.
Noel
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Small Side window? |
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the earlier models were stitched in the material from the factory, at least
that's what I was showed when I bought my model 5 way back when .. they had
only started the model V at that time. I was in Caldwell at Skystar they had
the Speedster and the vixen along with an earlier model 3 I believe so they
were showing the differences and improvements that they were making.
Steve
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: Small Side window? |
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I couldn't exactly remember how it was fastened, so I went back and
looked at my builder's log...the surrounding fabric (sewn to window)
is wrapped around and glued (Poly-tak) to the door opening rear post,
and to the upper fuselage member, then the remaining, lower edge is
laid over the existing fuse side fabric, which has been wrapped
around and glued to another fuse tube. Then finishing tape (pinked
edges) is applied over the wraps and overlays.....harder to describe
than to do. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 10, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
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Lynn:
I don't know how he did it but the clear glass which is little
more than
plastic is glued and stitched to the inside of the cloth. The
stitches are
consistent enough to know they were definitely machine made. There
is tape
on the outside so I expect that your idea of attaching the cloth
(a small
piece) to the frame and then doping the rest of the cloth to it is
probably
how it was done.
Noel
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:45 am Post subject: Small Side window? |
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That looks about the same as my '92 "vintage"
Thanks
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Tom Jones
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Small Side window? |
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When I ordered my Classic 4 in 1994 the sewn-in side windows were an option. The manual instructions at that time for the standard poly-carb window was to attach the window to the inside of the fabric with Poly-tak. I wanted to be able to easily replace mine if needed in the future so I cut out an aluminum frame that I Poly-Tacked to the inside of the fabric and riveted the window to the frame.
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Lynn Matteson
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That sounds like a good way to do it, Tom. I'm all for making things
replaceable, but I didn't think of your method at the time.
A friend of mine asked me how often I look out of that window, and I
really couldn't tell him, so while at the hangar today I sat in the
plane and looked around outside, and discovered I use it quite a bit
without really knowing it. Some folks just cover the area with
fabric, but when I did mine I figured I needed all the vision I could
stand.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
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When I ordered my Classic 4 in 1994 the sewn-in side windows were
an option. The manual instructions at that time for the standard
poly-carb window was to attach the window to the inside of the
fabric with Poly-tak. I wanted to be able to easily replace mine
if needed in the future so I cut out an aluminum frame that I Poly-
Tacked to the inside of the fabric and riveted the window to the
frame.
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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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darinh
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Small Side window? |
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Pete,
This same thing happened with my Model 3. Buesky Aviation makes a slick retrofit kit for the side windows on the earlier models. This is what I used and the look and usefulness of the window was greatly increased. The kit comes with the plastic, aluminum frame and aluminum brackets for mounting. The instructions leave a lot to be desired but the installation is dead simple...I think I did it in an hour or so. Here is a link:
http://www.blueskyaviation.net/catalog.html
I have attached the best and only picture I have that shows (kind of) the windows after installation. You can see how much larger thay are and how much more light can be let in. Man, looking through the pics of my old Model 3 makes me really miss that bird...
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peteohms
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: Small Side window? |
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Darin,
Looks like the right solution.
Pete
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: Small Side window? |
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Darin-
Any air leaks around that setup?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
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Pete,
This same thing happened with my Model 3. Buesky Aviation makes a
slick retrofit kit for the side windows on the earlier models.
This is what I used and the look and usefulness of the window was
greatly increased. The kit comes with the plastic, aluminum frame
and aluminum brackets for mounting. The instructions leave a lot
to be desired but the installation is dead simple...I think I did
it in an hour or so. Here is a link:
http://www.blueskyaviation.net/catalog.html
I have attached the best and only picture I have that shows (kind
of) the windows after installation. You can see how much larger
thay are and how much more light can be let in. Man, looking
through the pics of my old Model 3 makes me really miss that bird...
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Painting)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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darinh
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Lynn,
I used some 1/16" adhesive backed neoprene foam tape and it sealed very well. Don't remember any air leaks from the windows at all.
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: Small Side window? |
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If the rear windows in my plane ever break I'll just replace them with
cloth. You really can't see out through them they do allow a certain amount
of light to get into the back of the plane and they do add to the look of
the plane but they're not really necessary.
Noel
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