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dowens(at)aerialviewpoint
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: Commander on E-bay

There is a Commander on e-bay    N292Z  680V (converted to turbine?) for sale on e-bay... Know anything  about this guys?  

  

  

  

  

 David Owens

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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: Commander on E-bay

Price is pretty low…  

   

Robert S. Randazzo  

       

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There is a Commander on e-bay   N292Z  680V (converted to turbine?) for sale on e-bay... Know anything about this guys?    

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

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 Aerial Viewpoint

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 AC-500A-Colemill  

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bertberry1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: Commander on E-bay

I spoke to the owner via email and he advised that it has not flown in years.  It has less than 2000 hrs Total Time according to his email.  I have some photos of it.  No interior, needs alot of work.

 

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dowens(at)aerialviewpoint
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: Commander on E-bay

Bert...

   

 Anyone know WHAT this is? Is it a conversion or  factory turbines... (pre Century) What does that mean? The small  engines?

  

  

  

  

 David Owens

Aerial  Viewpoint

N14AV

AC-500A-Colemill

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BertBerry1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: Commander on E-bay

No it was a 680T with the TPE331-43's and was later converted to a 680V. Not exactly sure what was changed besides the engines and props, perhaps Barry could tell us.  It was always a Turbo Commander, just a very early model. Only the 22nd made.

  

 Bert



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BertBerry1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: Commander on E-bay

Sorry it HAD TPE331-29A's and they were changed to TPE331-43's I think....

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barry.collman(at)air-brit
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: Commander on E-bay

Hi All,

  

 The 680V was not really that much different to the  680T.

  

 Major items were:

 Increased MTOW from 8,950 lb. to 9,400 lb.

 Some had the "Miller" nose incorporated.

 Some had the "Picture" or "Panoramic" windows  incorporated.

  

 Besides those built by the factory as a 680V (26 in  all), numerous others were converted from a 680T (possibly 51).

  

 Best Regards,

 Barry

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cloudcraft(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: Commander on E-bay

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   Anyone know WHAT this is? Is it a conversion or  factory turbines... (pre Century) What does that mean? The small  engines?

 	
  

 

   The AC680T was the first production model Turbo Commander.  All of the 680 Turbine series had the Garrett dash 43 engines, ranging from 43, 43A and 43BL.   

 

 The Century series were any dash number at or above 100, such as TPE 331-151K.  

 

 Saying this is a 680T with a -43A conversion means they put the later engine on the earlier airframe.

  

 The -43 series did not offer much more power than the piston engine on the AC680FL and were very temperature critical, meaning as soon as it was over 15C, you were losing power.  Each upgrade dash number was slight improvement.

 

 An "interesting" aspect of this airplane is the "engines 200 SMOH by Garrett/1538 SMOH by AiResearch."  I don't think Garrett/AiResearch has supported this engine in a long long time.  Last facility I knew that supported this engine was Bob Hancock of Hancock Turbines outside of Nashville, TN., but then the airplane has not flown much at all, so the engine SMOH statement is probably right.The AC680T used a hydraulic (Skydrol) powered cabin supercharger.  The AC680V and up used bleed air.  The AC680W was the first all Weather model (certified known ice) and a Century Conversion that would place a flat-rated 525shp all the way to altitude is a scr  eamer.

 

 The Achilles Heel of this model is actually the New York Airbrake 3000 psi hydraulic pump used to drive the cabin supercharger.  The utility system is stepped down to the normal Commander hydraulic system pressures.  This pump is damn near impossible to find.  The two 680Ts I was involved with burned up these pumps within a few hours -- turned out they were lower output pumps field modified to make 3000 psi, or so thought the fellow supplying us with them.  Not so.

 

 If you remove the pressurization system, a lower output pump could be used.    If used as an upressurized camera ship, this could be OK ... if being equipped with an orphaned engine is OK.  To be fair, if you're not too far from Hancock's place, you'd have excellent support.This all off the top of my head ... or the more aptly, the bottom where all the facts are mixed in with all kinds of sediment.  I trust Sir Barry to come up with the proper dash numbers, engine powers, etc.Wing Commander Gordon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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BertBerry1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: Commander on E-bay

Now THAT is why this forum is so important.



Thanks for the lesson as well.



Bert

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barry.collman(at)air-brit
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: Commander on E-bay

Hello All,

  

 When it first came on the market, the 680T had  TPE331-29A engines and a wing span of 49ft. 0.56 inches.

  

 The factory called all of these back and they  were re-engined with TPE331-43 engines and had the wing span reduced to 44ft.  9.7 inches.

 They also had their original 84-inch diameter  props replaced with 90-inch ones.

  

 As the Wing Commander points out, some Commanders  that had the pre TPE331-5 series engines had them replaced with TPE-331-1-151K  and were known as "Century Turbos".

  

 Regarding the TPE331-43BL, these were a factory  standard installation introduced on the 680W "Turbo II" Commander, but the first  Commander to utilise that engine with bleed air for the pressurization and  environmental systems was the Model 681 "Hawk".

  

 Best Regards,

 Barry

  

  

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steve2(at)sover.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: Commander on E-bay

Hear that David? Now what was the limit on my  company credit card? This would be cheaper than the Navajo engines I've been  pushing for (fat chance.....).

  

  If used as an upressurized camera ship, this could be  OK ... if being equipped with an orphaned engine is OK.  To be fair, if  you're not too far from Hancock's place, you'd have excellent  support.

  

  

  

  

  

 

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avtec2(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: Commander on E-bay

Ihave a pair of IO-540M1A5 Engines w/  Logs

 Harry

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dowens(at)aerialviewpoint
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: Commander on E-bay

To Bert, Bobs V, Barry, Kieth,  Steve...

  

 This seems to be a pretty "horse of a different  color" aircraft.  Seems fair to say parts would be a good  investment...

  

  

  

  

 David Owens

Aerial  Viewpoint

N14AV

AC-500A-Colemill

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BertBerry1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: Commander on E-bay

Looks like a good project for someone with deep pockets.

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fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:21 am Post subject: Commander on E-bay

Hi Barry,



Can you provide me with performance figures of a 680T?

Unable to find by internet.



Thanks,



Rgerads,



Frits Abbing

--- On Wed, 4/16/08, Barry Collman <barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk> wrote:



[quote] From: Barry Collman <barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk>

 Subject: Re: Commander on E-bay

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2008, 7:52 PM

 Hello All,

 

 When it first came on the market, the 680T had TPE331-29A

 engines and a wing span of 49ft. 0.56 inches.

 

 The factory called all of these back and they were

 re-engined with TPE331-43 engines and had the wing span

 reduced to 44ft. 9.7 inches.

 They also had their original 84-inch diameter props

 replaced with 90-inch ones.

 

 As the Wing Commander points out, some Commanders that had

 the pre TPE331-5 series engines had them replaced with

 TPE-331-1-151K and were known as "Century

 Turbos".

 

 Regarding the TPE331-43BL, these were a factory standard

 installation introduced on the 680W "Turbo II"

 Commander, but the first Commander to utilise that engine

 with bleed air for the pressurization and environmental

 systems was the Model 681 "Hawk".

 

 Best Regards,

 Barry

 

 

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AAInstalls(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: Commander on E-bay

Frits, I flew a 680T converted to a V in the the mid-seventies out of  Daytona Beach and Atlanta.  With 575 SHP on each side it seemed like a  rocket to me back then.  I remember flying in the mid to high teens the  most.  I filed high altitude airways quite frequently and flew below  FL180  often.  Plan on 200 to 250 pph each side (60-75 gph).  I  remember around 220ktas more often than not.  One word of advise on the  ebay machine.  The purchase price is not a concern.  You'll need deep  pockets to operate it.  Be prepared for some big expenses.  Al  Auger

  

  In a message dated 4/17/2008 7:22:28 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com writes:

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Hi Barry,



Can you provide me with    performance figures of a 680T?

Unable to find by    internet.



Thanks,



Rgerads,



Frits Abbing

--- On    Wed, 4/16/08, Barry Collman <barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk>    wrote:



[quote] From: Barry Collman    <barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk>

 Subject: Re: Commander-List:    Commander on E-bay

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Date:    Wednesday, April 16, 2008, 7:52 PM

 Hello All,

 

 When it    first came on the market, the 680T had TPE331-29A

 engines and a wing    span of 49ft. 0.56 inches.

 

 The factory called all of these    back and they were

 re-engined with TPE331-43 engines and had the wing    span

 reduced to 44ft. 9.7 inches.

 They also had their original    84-inch diameter props

 replaced with 90-inch ones.

 

 As    the Wing Commander points out, some Commanders that had

 the pre    TPE331-5 series engines had them replaced with

 TPE-331-1-151K and were    known as "Century

 Turbos".

 

 Regarding the TPE331-43BL,    these were a factory standard

 installation introduced on the 680W    "Turbo II"

 Commander, but the first Commander to utilise that    engine

 with bleed air for the pressurization and environmental

    systems was the Model 681 "Hawk".

 

 Best Regards,

    Barry

 

 

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