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dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Prop governor cable

All,



Let's start a new thread. 



On run up in Atlanta last evening upon cycling the prop the left cable

broke so I could not feather the prop out of high pitch.  Upon return to

the FBO I opened the cowls and found a significant birds nest planted in

the prop governor area and around the pulley.  I don't know if that was

the cause of the breakage but I was left with no way to feather the

prop.  After much thought I decided to attempt to return to Michigan as

it was.  I planned on throttling back to 17" after take off and use the

rudder trim to fly coordinated and then set the autopilot.  The four

hour flight was totally uneventful other than the noise due to the

uneven RPMs.



I am very interested in the opinions of others and also where to get

another cable.



Don Falik 500S



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bobf(at)feldtman.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: Prop governor cable

I wouldn't have done that.... fly with no way to feather. You can use an automotive cable that will work until you get a commander replacement. Are you sure it wasn't the prop governor instead of the cable? (I just had both our prop governors rebuilt in the last year).

   

 Again - I wouldn't fly with no way to feather.....Let's see what the grey hairs say (oh wait - I have grey hair)

  

 bobf



 

 On 4/13/08, dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net (dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net) <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net (dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote: [quote]--> Commander-List message posted by: <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net (dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net)>

 

All,



Let's start a new thread.



On run up in Atlanta last evening upon cycling the prop the left cable

broke so I could not feather the prop out of high pitch.  Upon return to

the FBO I opened the cowls and found a significant birds nest planted in

 the prop governor area and around the pulley.  I don't know if that was

the cause of the breakage but I was left with no way to feather the

prop.  After much thought I decided to attempt to return to Michigan as

 it was.  I planned on throttling back to 17" after take off and use the

rudder trim to fly coordinated and then set the autopilot.  The four

hour flight was totally uneventful other than the noise due to the

 uneven RPMs.



I am very interested in the opinions of others and also where to get

another cable.



Don Falik 500S



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dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: Prop governor cable

I found the tower and pulley on top of the prop governor and the cable was broken and loose on one side of the pulley. On the other side of the pulley the cable was tight.  The mechanic that looked at it said that there is a spring that keeps the governor in high pitch in case of the cable breaking.  

   

I am very interested in what the issues are of running the engine with the propeller at high pitch and throttled back to 17”.  Prior to heading north I took a side trip to an airport 20 minutes south for fuel and to test the performance and temperatures and vibration on the airplane.  Other than the noise of the unsynchronized RPMs there didn’t appear to be any issues.  

   

Again, I am very interested in hearing from those that have much more experience than I.  I also have grey hair.  

   

Don Falik  

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: Prop governor cable

Don,

 From my perspective (also grey) is that if you lost that  engine, its windmilling prop might have dragged you down to the site of the  accident.

 Nico

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net

Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:18  AM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE:  Prop governor cable

 

  

I found the tower and  pulley on top of the prop governor and the cable was broken and loose on one  side of the pulley. On the other side of the pulley the cable was tight.  The mechanic that looked at it said that  there is a spring that keeps the governor in high pitch in case of the cable  breaking. 

  

I am very interested in  what the issues are of running the engine with the propeller at high pitch and  throttled back to 17”.  Prior to  heading north I took a side trip to an airport 20 minutes south for fuel and to  test the performance and temperatures and vibration on the airplane.  Other than the noise of the  unsynchronized RPMs there didn’t appear to be any  issues. 

  

Again, I am very  interested in hearing from those that have much more experience than I.  I also have grey  hair. 

  

Don  Falik 

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From:  owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman

Sent: Monday, April 14,  2008 3:34  AM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Prop governor  cable 

   

I wouldn't have done that.... fly with no  way to feather. You can use an automotive cable that will work until you get a  commander replacement. Are you sure it wasn't the prop governor instead of the  cable? (I just had both our prop governors rebuilt in the last  year).

  

 

  

Again - I wouldn't fly with no way to  feather.....Let's see what the grey hairs say (oh wait - I have grey  hair)

  

 

  

bobf



 

  

On 4/13/08, dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net (dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net) <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net (dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net)>  wrote:  

-->  Commander-List message posted by: <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net (dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net)>



All,



Let's  start a new thread.



On run up in Atlanta last evening upon cycling the  prop the left cable

broke so I could not feather the prop out of high  pitch.  Upon return to

the FBO I opened the cowls and found a  significant birds nest planted in

the prop governor area and around the  pulley.  I don't know if that was

the cause of the breakage but I  was left with no way to feather the

prop.  After much thought I  decided to attempt to return to Michigan as

it was.  I planned on  throttling back to 17" after take off and use the

rudder trim to fly  coordinated and then set the autopilot.  The four

hour flight was  totally uneventful other than the noise due to the

uneven RPMs.



I am  very interested in the opinions of others and also where to get

another  cable.



Don Falik 500S



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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: Prop governor cable

Good Morning bobf,

  

 I think I can qualify as a grey beard!

  

 There are times when I would fly without the ability to feather the  propellor on a twin engine aircraft.

  

 It all has to do with evaluation of the risk  

  

 Fact is, I received my multiengine rating in an airplane that was not  equipped with feathering propellors and that would not maintain altitude with  one engine shut down. That was a Cessna Bobcat more commonly referred as a  Bamboo Bomber. I also flew many Twin Beech Model C18s that did not have  feathering propellors installed. It was before my time, but the first Douglas  DC-3s were flown without full feathering propellors.

  

 So, the risk is just another one of those which we all have to evaluate  each time we fly.  Lots of folks will never get in a single engine airplane  unless they have a parachute equipped ejection seat to sit on!

  

 However, in the case in question, I doubt if I would have flown the  airplane without getting a ferry permit and flying only in compliance with the  restrictions imposed by that permit. 

  

 In my book, the greatest danger would be in getting caught doing something  illegal. 

  

 The risk involved in flying without a feathering propellor can be  mitigated by good flight planning, but the risk of certificate action is  difficult to avoid.

  

 Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

628 West  86th Street

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630 985-8502 

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

  

  In a message dated 4/14/2008 2:39:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  bobf(at)feldtman.com writes:

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		     I wouldn't have done that.... fly with no way to feather. You can use an    automotive cable that will work until you get a commander replacement. Are you    sure it wasn't the prop governor instead of the cable? (I just had both our    prop governors rebuilt in the last year).

    

   Again - I wouldn't fly with no way to feather.....Let's see what the grey    hairs say (oh wait - I have grey hair)

    

   bobf



	






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dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: Prop governor cable

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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Prop governor cable

Don-  

   

I think we’re all equal parts glad that you didn’t have any trouble- and glad you can see that risk now too.  

   

All of us commander drivers need to stick together-  thinning the herd is for other people.  

   

Robert S. Randazzo  

       

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net

 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:34 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Prop governor cable  

  

  

   

   

   

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westwind(at)hdiss.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: Prop governor cable

Hey old Bob!......Once again our past lives seem to share a common thread.  I also got my multi in a Bobcat based at MDW when it was listed as the world's  busiest airport. I think Cessna dubbed it the Bobcat to give it a more macho  sounding name for the military model which was the T-50 I think. You left out  the often  used nickname for the civilian model: Useless 78 (UC-7. If  anyone remembers the old TV series Sky King the original Skybird was a Bobcat. I  enjoyed my time in ours & with a light load & resonable altitude I was  amazed at how much time you had with one back at idle to pick out the site of  your impact. Later, in the midst of a hot & humid midwest summer, I found  myself giving multi instruction in an early Piper Apache for a school who's  policy was to put 3 students & an instructor in the aircraft on the theory  that the back seaters would absorb some of the training procedures before taking  their turns in the left front seat. One time when we landed to play musical  chairs, one of my back seaters jumped to the ground & vowed that however  long he lived he would never again allow his feet to be separated from mother  earth........for a minute or two I seriously considered joining him. Fortunately  our friendly FAA inspector convinced the boss that this training procedure was  not in the best interests of aviation safety. Also I believe we were consuming  more barfbags per hour than fuel. I do believe that the old Bobcat with its  "Shaky-Jakes" could  have pulled it off much better than the Apache with  its "Little Lycs". Keep 'em flyin' Old Bob....Dan the desert duck.

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kamala(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:02 am Post subject: Prop governor cable

it was the "song bird"  gmc



 [quote]  From: westwind(at)hdiss.net

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Prop governor cable

Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:41:20 -0700



     Hey old Bob!......Once again our past lives seem to share a common thread. I also got my multi in a Bobcat based at MDW when it was listed as the world's busiest airport. I think Cessna dubbed it the Bobcat to give it a more macho sounding name for the military model which was the T-50 I think. You left out the often  used nickname for the civilian model: Useless 78 (UC-7. If anyone remembers the old TV series Sky King the original Skybird was a Bobcat. I enjoyed my time in ours & with a light load & resonable altitude I was amazed at how much time you had with one back at idle to pick out the site of your impact. Later, in the midst of a hot & humid midwest summer, I found myself giving multi instruction in an early Piper Apache for a school who's policy was to put 3 students & an instructor in the aircraft on the theory that the back seaters would absorb some of the training procedures before taking their turns in the left front seat. One time when we landed to play musical chairs, one of my back seaters jumped to the ground & vowed that however long he lived he would never again allow his feet to be separated from mother earth........for a minute or two I seriously considered joining him. Fortunately our friendly FAA inspector convinced the boss that this training procedure was not in the best interests of aviation safety. Also I believe we were consuming more barfbags per hour than fuel. I do believe that the old Bobcat with its "Shaky-Jakes" could  have pulled it off much better than the Apache with its "Little Lycs". Keep 'em flyin' Old Bob....Dan the desert duck.

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westwind(at)hdiss.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: Prop governor cable

Mason, Songbird! you nailed it.I knew Skybird didn't sound  right but the old memory cells are starting to wear out.

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kamala(at)MSN.COM
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: Prop governor cable

join the club.

 [quote]  From: westwind(at)hdiss.net

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Prop governor cable

Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:13:25 -0700

   .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}   Mason, Songbird! you nailed it.I knew Skybird didn't sound right but the old memory cells are starting to wear out.

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: Prop governor cable

You can still watch the series here http://www.americanflyers.net/entertainment/skyking.asp

 I don't know how long these guys will host them, but watch while  you can.

 Thanks

 Nico

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan  Brady

Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:13 PM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Prop  governor cable

 

 Mason, Songbird! you nailed it.I knew Skybird didn't sound  right but the old memory cells are starting to wear out.

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deneals(at)deneals.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: Prop governor cable

[b]Sky King - The 1950's Televsion Series [/b]

 "From out of the clear blue of the western sky comes Sky King!" Yes, AF.TV has this 1950's television show available for your viewing enjoyment.

 Click the links below and enjoy!  

http://www.americanflyers.net/entertainment/skyking.asp      

   

___________________________  

[b]Deneal Schilmeister[/b][b], ATP LearJet[/b]  

St. Louis - Cincinnati  

1997 SL500  

http://deneals.com  

   

  

  

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