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freefolk(at)screaming.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: Schengen Cross Border Flights

Does anyone know if we can fly from  a non-customs airfield in one Schengen country to another without  problems?  I am planning to fly from Southern France to Spain this summer  and cannot obtain this information from either AIP.

  

 Brian Tarmar

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alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: Schengen Cross Border Flights

Try the looking in the French AIC list. Last time I was looking I found it there. I'll try and look tonight on internet and update.



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On 17 Apr 2008, at 12:17, "Brian and Pat Tarmar" <freefolk(at)screaming.net (freefolk(at)screaming.net)> wrote:



[quote]  Does anyone know if we can fly from  a non-customs airfield in one Schengen country to another without  problems?  I am planning to fly from Southern France to Spain this summer  and cannot obtain this information from either AIP.

  

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dg.watts(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: Schengen Cross Border Flights

Are you sure about that.

  

 I think you will find that as the UK did not sign  up to Schengen then all UK residents are required to clear customs when going to  another country even once you are on mainland Europe.

  

 All other European Nationals can certainly travel  at will throughout mainland Europe and with that in mind you may well get away  with, but I am sure the official line is that we UK people need to clear  customs.

  

 Dave Watts

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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: Schengen Cross Border Flights

David, We have to clear at a customs airfield when we first land in any

Schengen country. Thereafter we can go freely from one Schengen country to

another stopping anywhere. It is effectively a single country for customs &

flying purposes, apart from the need  to file a flight plan when crossing

any FIR boundary. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

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m.j.gregory(at)talk21.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: Schengen Cross Border Flights

Brian,  

   

My understanding is that you must always enter the first Schengen country and did part from the last Schengen country at customs airfields when travelling from or to non-Schengen countries will start.  For example, during the 2004 Europa Club Six Nations tour, we entered France from the UK at Le Touquet (a customs airfield, although customs did not take any action); later, we flew from Austria to Italy without a requirement customs, but on leaving Italy for Switzerland we had to wait while the customs formalities were completed, except for one aircraft that was able to depart without delay because they decided to go to France. You must, however, file a flight plan when crossing an international boundary.  Although it is expected that people will do this in advance, it is possible to file a flight plan while airborne, as happened when a planned French internal flight to Biarritz necessitated a diversion to San Sebastian in Spain when Biarritz refused us permission to land because they were not accepting GA aircraft at the time, which their NOTAM had not made clear.  

   

As for the rules regarding permission for permit aircraft to fly in various countries, there is an article by the Light Aircraft Association (http://www.laa.uk.com/ , go to Engineering and look for “Travelling Abroad in a Permit Aircraft” which has entries for a number of countries.  For Spain it has:  

   

"SPAIN  

Direccion General de Aviacion Civil  

Area de Inspeccion y Seguridad en Vuelo  

Paseo de la Castellana 67, 28071 Madrid, Spain  

No response to our original letter has been received from the Spanish Authority. However, in  

reply to a further letter from LAA they have confirmed that all home-built and factory-built  

Permit aircraft do require permission. Permission would normally be issued on receipt of copies  

of Permit to Fly documents and Certificate of Insurance.  

No reply to last enquiry (06/0.  

   

You will see from the introduction to the article that it is not always possible to get a reply, and that many people have travelled without seeking or obtaining permission and not had a problem.    

   

Other members they have some more up-to-date information.  It is only to be hoped that things will get a lot clearer under EASA.  

   

Regards  

   

Mike        

  

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Does anyone know if we can fly from a non-customs airfield in one Schengen country to another without problems?  I am planning to fly from Southern France to Spain this summer and cannot obtain this information from either AIP.  

    

   

    

Brian Tarmar  

    

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nielskock(at)get2net.dk
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Schengen Cross Border Flights

Gentlemen.

 2 years ago I flew my Europa from Odense, Denmark to St.  Ghislain, Belgium, to test-fly another

 Europa for an English buyer living in  Sweden.

  

 Years ago I received confirmations from the Netherlands,  Germany, Poland, The Chech Republic,

 Norway and Sweden , Switzerland and France, that home-builts  with a national Certificate of Airworthiness 

 are welcome to the airspace of said  countries without further ado.

 For some reason I plum forgot to ask the Belgians, and I  never thought of asking the Belgian authorities

 of a special permission, let alone imagined a special fee  to desecrate Belgian soil when, in blissful ignorance,

 I ventured  there.

 And lo and behold: never heard a word of reproach, neither  received a bill for my apparent misdemeanour.

  

 You can draw your own conclusions from that.

  

 Niels Kock

 OY-ODA

  

 By the way: did you know that ODA is up for sale?

 -and not for any fault of her own.

 Interested parties may email me, of course.

  

  



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freefolk(at)screaming.net
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: Schengen Cross Border Flights

Many thanks for your collective thoughts on  crossing borders between Schengen agreement states.  I liked Jean Philippe  Neel's the best!, so will take that as gospel.  I am aware that it is  necessary to get permission from the Spanish DGCA for UK Permit type aircraft  and am wondering if anyone has obtained an e-mail address, as my fax machine has  long since died.  I have tried dgac(at)formento.es (dgac(at)formento.es) but no reply to  date.

  

 Brian Tarmar G-OBJT

 



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josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: Schengen Cross Border Flights

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