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panamared5(at)brier.net
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 Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: Award Winning Planes |
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| Quote: | ......plane was among the winners of the group's Outstanding
Homebuilt Aircraft award.
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A pilot who had just taken off from Lakeland Linder Airport (LAL) was
killed Sunday morning when his Lancair Legacy crashed less than one mile
west of the runway
This was the third EAA Award winning aircraft for workmanship that
has crashed right after winning the award that I know of. One would
think that an aircraft that wins an award for craftsmanship would not
crash due to mechanical difficulty, and that only leaves as the
cause of the crash!??
What's the deal? Are these airplanes judged on paint scheme alone,
or do the judges really look deep into the aircraft plumbing, wiring,
control systems, engine setup etc.?
Just my opinion, but an EAA award winning aircraft should not crash
on the way home after winning an award for craftsmanship. Winning
the award may be the kiss of death?
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
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Ed Anderson
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: Award Winning Planes |
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Bob, I have seen an e mail report indicated that the canopy on the Lancair
may have come open on take off, there were reports of people seeing maps,
etc flying from the cockpit - so could possibly have been a fatal pilot
distraction during a critical flight phase and not due to
mechanical/electrical problem.
Having taken off a bit earlier that Sunday from Sun & Fun, I can tell you
low clouds and scud would not have made it easier - don't know if the
Lancair gotten that much altitude for it to be a factor.
Having had my canopy come open (tilt-up) during take off twice - once did
not ensure the primary lock was engaged and second time a linkage came
undone- I can tell you that the sudden rush of wind and noise can be very
distracting. My procedure is straight ahead until reaching 3000 AGL before
I even think about messing with closing it (but, that Sunday, 3000 AGL would
have put me in the soup) - good advice I learned from others who had been
there before I was.
Ed
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Ollie Washburn
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Location: Central Florida
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: Award Winning Planes |
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Did you ever consider the fact the pilot might have had a heart attack?
Ollie
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com (eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com (eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com)>
Bob, I have seen an e mail report indicated that the canopy on the Lancair may have come open on take off, there were reports of people seeing maps, etc flying from the cockpit - so could possibly have been a fatal pilot distraction during a critical flight phase and not due to mechanical/electrical problem.
Having taken off a bit earlier that Sunday from Sun & Fun, I can tell you low clouds and scud would not have made it easier - don't know if the Lancair gotten that much altitude for it to be a factor.
Having had my canopy come open (tilt-up) during take off twice - once did not ensure the primary lock was engaged and second time a linkage came undone- I can tell you that the sudden rush of wind and noise can be very distracting. My procedure is straight ahead until reaching 3000 AGL before I even think about messing with closing it (but, that Sunday, 3000 AGL would have put me in the soup) - good advice I learned from others who had been there before I was.
Ed
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Rick Galati
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Award Winning Planes |
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The crash of the latest award winning aircraft may or may not have been due to mechanical difficulties. It is always premature to yield to the natural human urge to engage in idle, free wheeling speculation so soon after a tragic crash. That said, the photo link clearly shows the condition of the Lancair's tip-up canopy moments before it went down. It is not speculation, however, to note that there are anecdotal first person reports that describe a violent downward pitching moment that will occur if the empennage on the Lancair Legacy is blanked out by an unsecured tip-up canopy. I'll defer to the specialists at the NTSB to determine as best it can why the canopy was ajar while the Lancair was in flight.
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.file?id=536888751&filename=phpxexrtQ.jpg
Rick Galati
RV-6A "Darla!"
RV-8 RE
A pilot who had just taken off from Lakeland Linder Airport (LAL) was
killed Sunday morning when his Lancair Legacy crashed less than one mile
west of the runway
This was the third EAA Award winning aircraft for workmanship that
has crashed right after winning the award that I know of. One would
think that an aircraft that wins an award for craftsmanship would not
crash due to mechanical difficulty, and that only leaves as the
cause of the crash!??
What's the deal? Are these airplanes judged on paint scheme alone,
or do the judges really look deep into the aircraft plumbing, wiring,
control systems, engine setup etc.?
Just my opinion, but an EAA award winning aircraft should not crash
on the way home after winning an award for craftsmanship. Winning
the award may be the kiss of death?
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: Award Winning Planes |
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A heart attack is a possibility. An autopsy may determine that. But the
reality is that pilot actions have a higher probability of being the cause.
Frankly, mechanical issues have a higher probability than heart attack
in my opinion.
Ron Lee
[quote]Did you ever consider the fact the pilot might have had a heart attack?
Ollie
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AV8ORJWC
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: Award Winning Planes |
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Your question merits comprehensive and deep explanation from EAA HQ. Each year I read all the requirements for grading and then watch the judges do their dance. How one becomes a judge, what criteria they use, how they score and how this pattern could become established beckons for a prompt and thorough answer. Thanks for asking what I was wondering. I will listen and read with interest.
Pilot motivations, skills, currency and competancy need not be addressed by the EAA judging competition.
John C.
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To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Award Winning Planes
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared5(at)brier.net>
| Quote: | ......plane was among the winners of the group's Outstanding
Homebuilt Aircraft award.
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A pilot who had just taken off from Lakeland Linder Airport (LAL) was
killed Sunday morning when his Lancair Legacy crashed less than one mile
west of the runway
This was the third EAA Award winning aircraft for workmanship that
has crashed right after winning the award that I know of. One would
think that an aircraft that wins an award for craftsmanship would not
crash due to mechanical difficulty, and that only leaves as the
cause of the crash!??
What's the deal? Are these airplanes judged on paint scheme alone,
or do the judges really look deep into the aircraft plumbing, wiring,
control systems, engine setup etc.?
Just my opinion, but an EAA award winning aircraft should not crash
on the way home after winning an award for craftsmanship. Winning
the award may be the kiss of death?
Bob
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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: Award Winning Planes |
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Actually Rick, why the canopy was unlatched may be a minor issue. Other than some sort
of problem that causes the latch to disengage, it is not a worry item in my opinion.
What really matters is what happened afterwards. Did the pilot attempt to close it
in flight and during that attempt do something that caused the crash? Did the open
canopy cause the crash (unlikely from some of what I have read)? Was there another
mechanical problem that caused it?
It will be interesting to see what becomes of this investigation.
Ron Lee
I'll defer to the specialists at the NTSB to determine as best it can why the canopy was ajar while the Lancair was in flight.
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