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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

I received a private email from a Kitfox 2 owner  looking for some advice in installing new bungies.  He already has the  factory new units, but he's having trouble with the configuration of them and  not sure how they're connected.  What he has is two attach points directly  opposite each other, then another underneath a few inches outboard facing  down that is perpendicular to the others.  

 Can someone explain the connections to me or maybe  email me a copy of the appropriate page so I can pass it on to him?  Would  appreciate it.

 Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP  355+ TT

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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: Re: KF2 Bungie connections

Deke,

That sounds like it is the same bungee installation system as the Model 4.  if you would like that, email me.  I can't seem to figure out how to find member emails on here.

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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

Thanks Tom.  I replied to you offlist.

Deke

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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

Thanks Tom.  Got the pages just fine and I'll pass them on.  Mark will be 

very happy.



Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT

"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."

- Joseph Joubert



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tc9008(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

I will be changing mine on a 4. Please send the instructions also

 Travis

 

 

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tc9008(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

I will be changing mine on a 4. Please send the instructions also

 Travis

 

 

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Sbennett3(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

I have brand new ones in a box for my classic  4   Can I also get some directions...  Thanks in advance.   Steve Bennett



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Catz631(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

Me too ! I have new ones also with no directions.Wow ,there are alot of us !

                         Thanks !

                                          Dick Maddux

                                          Fox 4-1200

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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: Re: KF2 Bungie connections

 	  tc9008(at)aol.com wrote: 	
		  I will be changing mine on a 4. Please send the instructions also

 Travis

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To those of you who were asking about the bungie install instructions, thanks to Tom Jones for digging them out, here they are.  Hopefully this works.

Deke 

S5 Subaru

NE  Michigan

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Mark.Summers(at)lwbref.co
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

A word of caution, the instructions are to grind/file down the aluminum

nico press type sleeve on one end of each bungee. I did this and I have

to assume that the heat caused my brand new bungee rubber bands at the

end to break during the installation. I thought I was going slow enough

to not create that much heat, but the instructions were very good and

very much needed on my part. Thanks



Mark Summers kf2 582 [maybe,eventually]



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Beemer

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 87
Location: Middle Georgia

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:23 am Post subject: Re: KF2 Bungie connections

WOW!!!



Thanks for posting that. Come to find out, mine are wrong. Guess I'll have to do it correctly now.



Bradley

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

Mark:

You should never apply any metal that doesn't spark on a grindstone.

Aluminium should only be filed.  Filing will cause a little heat but because

it is slower and the filing is more of a cutting action the heat generated

is much lower.

When you grind the aluminium small particles of the aluminium get imbedded

into the stone.  The next time the stone is used the particles can expand

and cause the stone to fly apart.  With the speed of modern bench top

grinders this can be very dangerous.  Fragments of the stone can depart the

grinder at a fearsome rate of knots!  I've seen the results of grinding

aluminium in the form of pieces grindstone hanging out of a wall.



Brass, copper and bronze are also best avoided with a grinder.



Noel



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corbob13

Joined: 02 Apr 2008
Posts: 18
Location: Pulaski, WI

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: KF2 Bungie connections

Timely post on bungee installation.  I've just reinstalled a new leg on my machine and was actually attempting the bungee installation earlier this evening.  After some colorful comments I thought I should check the forum archives for some tips... and voila, here's a fresh post.  I have a comment and a question.



If the bungee is being put on a model 2 (as mine is) the arrangement of the lugs is a bit different than illustrated in the previously posted instruction.  I've attached a scan of the manual which illustrates how the cord is wrapped.  Note that there are only two lugs; this jives with what's on my plane. 



Now the question:  How exactly does a guys make six wraps of this thing?  Four, easy... Five possible... Six?!?  Does anyone have any tricks I could try?



Cory

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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

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		   From: corbob13 [corbob13(at)netnet.net]

 Does anyone have any tricks I could try?


	


Well ... it's a two-man's job and a lot of cursing. The trick is how not to loose tension as you pull the next loop. Here is what I did at the third attempt but I am not sure it will work for all.

First, in order to keep the gears from collapsing, I make a Spanish windlass with a thick strong rope between the two gears. Then, after the first loop, I use a flat nylon ribbon and tie the bungee with a clove hitch knot. I then tie the end of the ribbon to the thick rope between the gears. Then I do the next loop with another ribbon. Then a third one. Now, I draw the slack in each ribbon and I release the first one to be used as the fourth on.

The reason for using flat nylon ribbons is that it is the only way you can release it from around the bungee loops that are so tight together around the crossbar. The reason for the clove hitch knot is that it is the best knot for anything under constant load. You can untie it very easily. (I have sailed for 50 years!)

Good luck and remember: To curse is human! 



Cheers,

Michel Verheughe

Norway

Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

I put the back loop on first so I would have a straighter pull to tighten

the front.  I then put around three turns on the gear and tied a piece of

3/8 rope to it. The rope is also a large loop that I can get a good grab on.

Start at the first loop and tighten it as much as possible.  When you have

the third loop tighten continue adding and tightening one turn at a time.

When I got the last turn on and tight I replaced the 38 rope with some

strong string to help me fit the loop over the front stud.  What I found

really made installation hard was the small clearance the shock cord has to

pass in the skin.  



I have read on past posts where guys have used petroleum jelly to make the

cords slide easier while being installed.  I have left my plane on floats

the past two years to avoid having to mess with those chords again 

Noel Loveys

AME Intern, RPP

Kitfox III-A, 582,B box

Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats



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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: Re: KF2 Bungie connections

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		  Now the question: How exactly does a guys make six wraps of this thing? Four, easy... Five possible... Six?!? Does anyone have any tricks I could try? 



Cory 	




Well my Model has run last 2 years on wheels and skis with 5 wraps on bungees over 10 years old.   Other than about 4 months a year on amphibs.    IT a bit softer but it does seem to work.  Just make sure you use safety cables although some here will try to tell you different. 



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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

I just put the bungees back on my Avid MK IV yesterday and it took less than 15 minutes for my son and myself.  One trick is to mark the bungees with a marker--devide the length of the bungee by the number or raps and mark there and then halfway between each mark.  One person above, one person below.  Each person now has a mark to strech the bungee to, then he holds it there, passes the end to the other person who pulls the bungee tight to his mark, ect, ect.  When you get to the end, the right length of bungee is there to hook on and all the raps have equal tension.  Hope this helps,  Jim Chuk   Avids  Kitfox 4   Mn

[quote] From: noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Re: KF2 Bungie connections

 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:06:48 -0230

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca>

 I put the back loop on first so I would have a straighter pull to tighten

 the front. I then put around three turns on the gear and tied a piece of

 3/8 rope to it. The rope is also a large loop that I can get a good grab on.

 Start at the first loop and tighten it as much as possible. When you have

 the third loop tighten continue adding and tightening one turn at a time.

 When I got the last turn on and tight I replaced the 38 rope with some

 strong string to help me fit the loop over the front stud. What I found

 really made installation hard was the small clearance the shock cord has to

 pass in the skin. 

 I have read on past posts where guys have used petroleum jelly to make the

 cords slide easier while being installed. I have left my plane on floats

 the past two years to avoid having to mess with those chords again 

 Noel Loveys

 AME Intern, RPP

 Kitfox III-A, 582,B box

 Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

At 07:39 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote:

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		  Now the question:  How exactly does a guys make six wraps of this 

thing?  Four, easy... Five possible... Six?!?  Does anyone have any 

tricks I could try?


	


Cory,

         Check the archives again! This topic gets covered at least 

once a year and there are innumerable methods. Mine is to get 4 

wraps, then pull the slack to one end using channel-locks, then clamp 

the 3rd wrap to the tube using vice grips and leather, then get two 

more wraps, repeat until you get six. You can do it solo and with not 

much cursing.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 224
Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

Don't use petroleum jelly. It attacks rubber.  Maybe KY?



Pete



PS I'm still offering a free bungee to anyone in need.  Got it with my 

Kitfox III.  Just pay the shipping.

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bjones(at)dmv.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: KF2 Bungie connections

I used a similar method solo. Measured and marked where bungees should go 

around tubes when completed, streched bungees till beyond that location 

knowing there would likely be some slippage and used padded vice grips to 

hold for next wrap or two. Biggest problem was blisters on my apparently 

tender paws from not wearing gloves and streching bungees bare pawed. Used 

kitfox factory bungees rather than risk wrong material or technique, and 

duplicated number of wraps on 10 year old originals that began sagging a 

little when loaded.

Bob Jones

N154K/N626NR

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