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purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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 Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: Really bad news....S&F crash |
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Craig, could you give me Matt's e mail address Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM
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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: Really bad news....S&F crash |
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| Quote: | The top spar cap is fractured at the innermost bolt hole
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Well, relative to the fuselage it is actually the outermost bolt.
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Gig Giacona
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
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To be exact I posted that on Tue Apr 08, 2008 (at) 6:13 pm. What's your point? I stand by the statement.
A quick look at the NTSB database shows that the most recent US fatal accident to have any report other than preliminary happened on 12/15/2007 and that is a "factual" report on the 701 that went down when the pilot was buzzing his house.
The most recent fatal US accident that has a "Probable Cause" synopsis happened on 10/26/07 and it was a glider that stalled and spun in.
The point is to show that it takes a while for the NTSB to to report stuff if there is an investigation. The one exception to this is a accident that happened when a line guy walked into a prop on a parked Pilatus PC-12. That accident happened on 1/3/08 and the probable cause was done by 3/31/08.
Oh, BTW...I have noticed that you wussed out on helping with what was your idea to get an independent engineer to look at the design. Are you going to make up some reason and blame me for that as well?
| ashontz wrote: | The facts will come.
How long have you been saying this now? Just curious.
| Gig Giacona wrote: | Because of the proximity to SnF there's little doubt that better information will come from this accident than the previous ones. And if not better at least more.
As many have said let's not guess or listen to untrained eye-witnesses. The facts will come. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: Really bad news....S&F crash |
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One question I have is where are the ailerons? I can see the hinges and all the holes in them on both wings but there seems to be no damage to the hinge at all. It was like it just came off the hinge. You would think that if it were ripped off there would be some of the metal left on the hinge. clearly the loss of a aileron would have made the plane uncontrollable. Could they have used A4's instead of A5's???
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PatrickW
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
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| PLAV8R wrote: | I wonder what they connect the ballistic parachutes to. If it is at the attach fitting they may save the plane and not the occupants.
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My fuselage shipped with the "new BRS brackets". Front ones double as engine mount brackets and canopy hinges. Rear ones are attached to the longeron in the baggage area (but did not ship with the kit).
Here is a drawing of them:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/Zenith601XLBRSBrackets/photo#5190655085433945250
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purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: Really bad news....S&F crash |
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Thanks joe Do not archive
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PLAV8R
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
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Hi Joe,
I am not trying to be negative. In the Yuba City situation I think that the firewall forward and the aft fuselage would have made the trip fine. However, the occupants would have exited the aircraft from the bottom.
My parents seat-belts were still connected , I believe they exited from the bottom of the fuselage after the wings departed the aircraft.
If it were not for the circumstances, maybe the BRS would have worked fine.
Regards,
Don
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PLAV8R
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Really bad news....S&F crash |
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Hi Patrick,
Made a mistake......You are not Joe.....You are Patrick...One of my brothers names.
My apologies.
Don
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