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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

The plane in the Photo is the New Kolb's new MKIII  Extra with John H flying. 

  

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered  MKIIIC

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Snoopy Baxley

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

Good picture of John and New Kolb Extra...... Got anymore pic to  share of Sun-Fun.....Wasn't able to go this year.

  

 Stephen

 Kolb Firefly

 Alabama



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Steve Boetto

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

Stephen, just talking about you today. hit me off list

 steve

  

  In a message dated 4/23/2008 10:27:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  Flycrazy8(at)aol.com writes:

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		     Good picture of John and New Kolb Extra...... Got anymore pic to    share of Sun-Fun.....Wasn't able to go this year.

    

   Stephen

   Kolb Firefly

   Alabama



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icrashrc

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:27 am Post subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2008

Give me a couple days and i'll have a whole flock of S-n-F pictures added to my website.



 	  Snoopy Baxley wrote: 	
		  Good picture of John and New Kolb Extra...... Got anymore pic to  share of Sun-Fun.....Wasn't able to go this year.

  

 Stephen

 Kolb Firefly

 Alabama

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David Lucas

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2008

Hey John H, What were you pointing at ?



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David Lucas

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2008

It comes from this photo;



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Steve Boetto

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

In a message dated 4/24/2008 12:51:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com writes:

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		  Hey John    H, What were you pointing at ?



David. 

	
  

 The direction he wants the airplane to go

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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

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		   It comes from this photo;



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  David,



  Your photo of John and that new Xtra has to be about the nicest photo of a plane I have ever seen.

(John ain't too shabby, either, hehe).



  In my opinion, the Kolb MkIII Xtra is one of the nicest looking airplanes ever designed.  I should imagine

that TNK would sell several Xtras because of the one on display.  I hope they do!!!  

  Makes that Quicksilver in the lower right look like a piece of junk.



Mike Welch

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John Hauck

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

> Hey John H, What were you pointing at ?

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 David. 


	




Hi David L:



I don't know.  



Think this photo was snapped during the Manufacurers Showcase.  I was flying 

30 mph, 45 degrees of flaps, and being very gentle with the control stick at 

that very low altitude.



Did you take that photo David?  Was shot from the south back to the north? 

Looks like the Fly Market Tent in the background.



john h

mkIII

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

List

You've prolly seen  this, of Oshkosh. There's a red Kolb in  there,  

briefly.

But be warned; this is a HUGE file. Would take about a week on  dial-up.

But some great stuff in there.



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David Lucas

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2008

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		  Did you take that photo David? Was shot from the south back to the north? Looks like the Fly Market Tent in the background. 	




Yes John, I stood against the fence in the car park in the shade of an RV and took several shots of the passing parade. Got several of the approach/landing phase mainly, some at Take Off and a couple during the slow fly past.



Here's one of your slow fly past;



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lucien

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2008

Just out of curiosity, and sorry if this has already been discussed, but is this new version intended for SLSA/ELSA certification? Or is it just a new version of the mark III intended for EAB like usual?



That is one kick ass looking plane....



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John Hauck

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

Or is it just a new version of the mark III intended for EAB like usual?

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Lucien:



This is an updated version of the MKIII Extra intended for EAB.



It has turned out to be the beginnings of a pretty good airplane.  TNK is in 

the process of taking some of the excess weight off the airplane.



We still have some tweaking to do.



The Morse Cables for the aileron control work well.



The 45 degrees of flaps increase the capabilites and safety of the aircraft.



Looks like cruise speed will be about like most good MKIIIs, around 85 mph. 

Hard to take the Kolb out of a Kolb.  Don't think we will be seeing 120 mph 

any time soon.



Hopefully, I can find time to return to London before Oshkosh to do some 

more work.  I want to raise the nose of the X about 6 more inches to get an 

idea of how much this will improve take off and landing configuration.  When 

I get agressive on takeoff and landing, I bump the tailwheel.



Slow speed flight is good.  For those that want to hover, get a helicopter. 





john h

mkIII

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

John, what is the empty weight of this current version?

BB

On 26, Apr 2008, at 10:57 AM, John Hauck wrote:

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  Or is it just a new version of the mark III intended for EAB like  

 usual?

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> LS

 Lucien:

 This is an updated version of the MKIII Extra intended for EAB.

 It has turned out to be the beginnings of a pretty good airplane.   

 TNK is in the process of taking some of the excess weight off the  

 airplane.

 We still have some tweaking to do.

 The Morse Cables for the aileron control work well.

 The 45 degrees of flaps increase the capabilites and safety of the  

 aircraft.

 Looks like cruise speed will be about like most good MKIIIs, around  

 85 mph. Hard to take the Kolb out of a Kolb.  Don't think we will  

 be seeing 120 mph any time soon.

 Hopefully, I can find time to return to London before Oshkosh to do  

 some more work.  I want to raise the nose of the X about 6 more  

 inches to get an idea of how much this will improve take off and  

 landing configuration.  When I get agressive on takeoff and  

 landing, I bump the tailwheel.

 Slow speed flight is good.  For those that want to hover, get a  

 helicopter. 

 john h

 mkIII

John Hauck

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

Bob B:

  

 680 lbs with BRS.

  

 A lot of weight can be saved by redesigning the  fiberglass seats.  This is in the plans.

  

 There is no other equipment on board.  Very  basic.  So if you start adding radios and other equipment, weight will head  back up.

  

 john h

 mkIII

 [quote]    John, what is the empty weight of this    current version?

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icrashrc

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:21 am Post subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2008

Finally got around to building a S-n-F 2008 page. Pictures and video can be found here.



http://ill-eagleaviation.com/snf_2008.htm

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John Williamson

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2008

Scott,



Great photos from Sun'nFun. Thanks a lot.



"http://ill-eagleaviation.com/snf_2008.htm"



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John Hauck

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

> http://ill-eagleaviation.com/snf_2008.htm

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 Scott


	


Scott:



Thanks for posting the S&F photos.



The MKIIIx would have gotten off the ground quicker, but the tailwheel was 

in the way.  Same, same landing.



Still, Rahill was not getting off much quicker than me.



john h

mkIII

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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

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		   The MKIIIx would have gotten off the ground quicker, but the tailwheel was

 in the way. Same, same landing.



 Still, Rahill was not getting off much quicker than me.



 john h

 mkIII

  
	




Hey John,



  You recently (and again just now) mentioned the tailwheel touched when you take off and land in the new Xtra.  You said you would try to "work on it" the next time you get a chance.  I am curious about your adjustment appraoch.

Did you plan on raising the leading edge of the hor. stab, or did you consider shortening the tailwheel rod, or both?



  Oh, BTW, nice flight report on the Xtra.  You did a great plane proud.



Mike W.



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John Hauck

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Sun N Fun 2008

Hey Mike W:



 >  You recently (and again just now) mentioned the tailwheel touched when 

you take off and land in the new Xtra.



Only when making agressive take offs and landings, at air shows.  Normal 

operation is ok.



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		  You said you would try to "work on it" the next time you get a chance.  I 

am curious about your adjustment >appraoch.

 Did you plan on raising the leading edge of the hor. stab, or did you 

 consider shortening the tailwheel rod, or both?


	


Neither.  I plan on stretching the main gear legs.  The tailwheel hits the 

ground because there is not enough altitude in the main gear to allow the 

aircraft to rotate agressively on take off and land in a nice 3 point 

stance.



The main gear are longer than  the old ones, but still not enough for me.



john h

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