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ncol(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

With all the talk of more babies (congratulations Jesse & co), and now  

that the RV12 is completed, can anyone tell us what Vans design team  

is working on now?



Will the RV14 be a high speed, 2 seat jet, or will it be an extended,  

6 seat IO550 RV10+2 = RV14?, or even better from my point of view, a  

VTOL 6 seat jet??



Or how about underwing baby pods for the RV10???

Neil

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

Heck,

An extended -10 with a 300 hp angle valve IO540 would do quite nicely.  

Add a bit more wing if needed.

Increase the design flutter speed to allow another 20kts TAS. Improve 

the door design, perhaps along the Cirri lines.

Increase fuel capacity by 20 gal or so. Add to baggage compartment volume.

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Neil & Sarah Colliver wrote:

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 With all the talk of more babies (congratulations Jesse & co), and now 

 that the RV12 is completed, can anyone tell us what Vans design team 

 is working on now?



 Will the RV14 be a high speed, 2 seat jet, or will it be an extended, 

 6 seat IO550 RV10+2 = RV14?, or even better from my point of view, a 

 VTOL 6 seat jet??



 Or how about underwing baby pods for the RV10???

 Neil

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VHMUM(at)bigpond.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

Fixing Door design perhaps?



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av8or(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

I'd like to see them finish the RV-11  motorglider.

  

 John

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n212pj(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

I think it's called retirement.  



Given the decrease in the flying GA population, it may be called

retrenchment.  



Of course, free market types might figure that there needs to be more

innovation at Vans, not less.  How about putting more ribs in the forward

part of the HS for safety and the ability to withstand bird and the

occasional, inevitable door strike.  Or, how about a door that actually

makes sense from a safety perspective.  If a door is designed to be shed in

flight when accidentally not closed, then maybe it's an innovation that

enables the door to break away freely, soaring up and over the empennage.

Perhaps little wings that pop out, creating the necessary, rapid lifting

force.  Or, if that's too difficult an engineering feat, maybe it's a door

that, if not secured properly, actually cannot be ripped off, as the rest of

the light airplane world has.  Gee, that'd be a piece of OBVIOUS

engineering.  



Sorry, but the more I think about this door thing, the more I cannot believe

it actually was allowed to go to market.  



John Jessen

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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

Lol....Come on John, tell how you really feel!!!   



Rick Sked

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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

I HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON THESE DOORS AND FROM THE WAY THEY ARE FUNCTIONING AND THE WAY THAT THEY SEAL, I DO NOT THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR IMPROVEMENT. 

  

 IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE DIRECTIONS NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THE BUILDER AND WHAT THE END RESULT SHOULD BE. 

  

 NOT SURE I AM EVEN GOING TO USE THE WEATHER STRIPPING.

  

 I AM ALSO ONE WHO WILL BE FLYING WITH A PARACHUTE AND I AM GRATEFUL THAT WHEN I OPEN THAT DOOR I CAN COUNT ON SHEADING IT SO THAT I DON'T GET CUT IN HALF BY IT LIKE A CLAM SHELL CLOSING ON ME DURING BAILOUT. OF COURSE, NO GUARANTEE IT WILL DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT.

  

 JOHN G.



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 From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: What is Vans working on now?

 

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 Lol....Come on John, tell how you really feel!!! 

 

 Rick Sked

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johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: Re: What is Vans working on now?

 	  ncol(at)xtra.co.nz wrote: 	
		  With all the talk of more babies (congratulations Jesse & co), and now  

that the RV12 is completed, can anyone tell us what Vans design team  

is working on now?



Will the RV14 be a high speed, 2 seat jet, or will it be an extended,  

6 seat IO550 RV10+2 = RV14?, or even better from my point of view, a  

VTOL 6 seat jet??



Or how about underwing baby pods for the RV10???

Neil 	




The number that comes after 12 is 13, not 14....

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:17 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

If you don't use the seal you can expect not to use the back seats if you are flying high or in the winter.  It is like a freezer back there when the door seals aren't on.  The pressure of the air flowing over the door hinges creates a suction that pulls air out of the cabin which is replaced by air from the tail which is cold.  Ask me how I know.



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 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



 



On Apr 30, 2008, at 10:35 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:

[quote]I HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON THESE DOORS AND FROM THE WAY THEY ARE FUNCTIONING AND THE WAY THAT THEY SEAL, I DO NOT THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR IMPROVEMENT. 

 

IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE DIRECTIONS NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THE BUILDER AND WHAT THE END RESULT SHOULD BE. 

 

NOT SURE I AM EVEN GOING TO USE THE WEATHER STRIPPING.

 

I AM ALSO ONE WHO WILL BE FLYING WITH A PARACHUTE AND I AM GRATEFUL THAT WHEN I OPEN THAT DOOR I CAN COUNT ON SHEADING IT SO THAT I DON'T GET CUT IN HALF BY IT LIKE A CLAM SHELL CLOSING ON ME DURING BAILOUT. OF COURSE, NO GUARANTEE IT WILL DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT.

 

JOHN G.



[quote] Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:04:54 -0400

 From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com (ricksked(at)embarqmail.com)

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Re: What is Vans working on now?

msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

I think JATO would be a nice addition for those really short, unimproved runways.  Or maybe a VTOL variant.  Heh



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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

I agree with Jesse about the seals.  I flew with the passenger seal on and the pilot seal off.  Although I did not get cold….I was in the front seat…..I could smell exhaust when I was at high angles of attack.  I have done one flight with the pilot side door seal on……no smell.  

Rene' Felker  

RV-10 N423CF Flying  

801-721-6080      

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint

 Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:14 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: What is Vans working on now?  

If you don't use the seal you can expect not to use the back seats if you are flying high or in the winter.  It is like a freezer back there when the door seals aren't on.  The pressure of the air flowing over the door hinges creates a suction that pulls air out of the cabin which is replaced by air from the tail which is cold.  Ask me how I know.    

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Jesse Saint  

Saint Aviation, Inc.  

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)  

Cell: 352-427-0285  

Fax: 815-377-3694  

On Apr 30, 2008, at 10:35 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:  

I HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON THESE DOORS AND FROM THE WAY THEY ARE FUNCTIONING AND THE WAY THAT THEY SEAL, I DO NOT THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR IMPROVEMENT. 

 IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE DIRECTIONS NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THE BUILDER AND WHAT THE END RESULT SHOULD BE. 

 NOT SURE I AM EVEN GOING TO USE THE WEATHER STRIPPING.

 I AM ALSO ONE WHO WILL BE FLYING WITH A PARACHUTE AND I AM GRATEFUL THAT WHEN I OPEN THAT DOOR I CAN COUNT ON SHEADING IT SO THAT I DON'T GET CUT IN HALF BY IT LIKE A CLAM SHELL CLOSING ON ME DURING BAILOUT. OF COURSE, NO GUARANTEE IT WILL DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT.

 JOHN G.

 > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:04:54 -0400

 > From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com (ricksked(at)embarqmail.com)

 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 > Subject: Re: What is Vans working on now?

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 > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com (ricksked(at)embarqmail.com)>

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 > Lol....Come on John, tell how you really feel!!! 

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 > Rick Sked

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Jon Reining

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 37

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: Re: What is Vans working on now?

What ever happened to the RV5?



Where the RV1 and RV2 the original pitts and van's original modification?

Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

Funny you should ask.  I looked at RV-1 about 10 days ago.



RV-1 is located at Dunham Field, just NE of Houston and was the

prototype RV built by Dick Vangrunsven.  



Oddly enough it's a fabric airplane with a little aluminum mixed in as

well.    



She is not airworthy, but I'm sure the owner has plans to rebuild her

sometime in the future. 



These photos are not mine, but they are Paul Dye's.  Next time I'm out

there, I can snap a few of my own if you'd like to see more.



Phil

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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

Here's a few more notes I found on VAF regarding the airplane.



It was ground looped in a stiff crosswind a year or two ago.  (Dunham

Field is an East/West Runway with a couple of large holes in the trees

to funnel the winds.  Not a good combination in SE Texas.)



Damage was sustained to the main landing gear, cowling, and belly skin.

Mixed into that was a prop-strike.



Van apparently created an experimental prop from a Sensnich that was cut

down and severely re-pitched.  Apparently they can't get a prop-shop to

touch it, so they're looking for alternatives.



So it sounds like they've got some real intentions to make her fly

again.



Phil





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airplanedriver(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

The RV-5 was a one-off VW-powered attempt which was not as

aesthetically pleasing as its brothers.



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Chase Snodgrass

Presidio, TX

Simultaneous RV-10 twins under construction

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

John Gonzalez wrote:

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		      .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }   I HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON THESE DOORS AND FROM THE WAY THEY ARE FUNCTIONING AND THE WAY THAT THEY SEAL, I DO NOT THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR IMPROVEMENT. 

  

 IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE DIRECTIONS NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THE BUILDER AND WHAT THE END RESULT SHOULD BE. 

  

 NOT SURE I AM EVEN GOING TO USE THE WEATHER STRIPPING. 	
 You might want to use a hose on it before you decide to trash the weatherstripping.  By the time you find out that you really do need it, it may be too late. 

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		  I AM ALSO ONE WHO WILL BE FLYING WITH A PARACHUTE 	
 Parachute John???  Wassamatter .... don't trust your work???   Or are you panning some aerobatics along the way???

 Linn   do not archive

 BTW, when I'm doing akro in my Pitts .... I wear a 'chute too.

 [quote]AND I AM GRATEFUL THAT WHEN I OPEN THAT DOOR I CAN COUNT ON SHEADING IT SO THAT I DON'T GET CUT IN HALF BY IT LIKE A CLAM SHELL CLOSING ON ME DURING BAILOUT. OF COURSE, NO GUARANTEE IT WILL DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT.

  

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n212pj(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

Flying RV-1 at Lenhardt, owned and flown by Jack Lenhardt.  



John Jessen



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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

Linn,

 

My point is my doors are really clean fitting and no gap anywhere (this of course based on the backwards way I did them) Both the outside edge fit aswell as the inner flange of the cabin top which interacts with the inner surface of the door won't even fit a business card.

 

Rain in flight would find its way inside, but rain while at a standstill without the engine running would not.

 

So indeed, some sort of soft seal will be used. The Vaccum pressure fron the hinge gaps is an interesting piece of information.

 

Oregon Aero made up some interesting seats with huge headrests and no back cushion to allow space for my softie parachute. These are sure to turn a few heads as people wonder what they hell is going on.

  

 JG



 [quote]  Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:40:19 -0400

From: pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: What is Vans working on now?



 John Gonzalez wrote:

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		    .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}  I HAVE SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON THESE DOORS AND FROM THE WAY THEY ARE FUNCTIONING AND THE WAY THAT THEY SEAL, I DO NOT THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR IMPROVEMENT. 

 

IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE DIRECTIONS NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THE BUILDER AND WHAT THE END RESULT SHOULD BE. 

 

NOT SURE I AM EVEN GOING TO USE THE WEATHER STRIPPING. 	
You might want to use a hose on it before you decide to trash the weatherstripping.  By the time you find out that you really do need it, it may be too late. 

  	  Quote: 	
		  I AM ALSO ONE WHO WILL BE FLYING WITH A PARACHUTE 	
Parachute John???  Wassamatter .... don't trust your work???   Or are you panning some aerobatics along the way???

Linn   do not archive

BTW, when I'm doing akro in my Pitts .... I wear a 'chute too.

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		  AND I AM GRATEFUL THAT WHEN I OPEN THAT DOOR I CAN COUNT ON SHEADING IT SO THAT I DON'T GET CUT IN HALF BY IT LIKE A CLAM SHELL CLOSING ON ME DURING BAILOUT. OF COURSE, NO GUARANTEE IT WILL DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT.

 

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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

You need to have enough space for the paint.  I had a similar fit but between the Van's seal and the paint it is not perfectly flush like it was without either.  

Just something to watch out for. I used a base/clear paint which is probably a little thicker than most single stage paints.  

 

Scott Schmidt

scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com

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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: What is Vans working on now?

Like the thickness of electrical tape or electrical tape as a release agent?

  

 JG.

 [quote]  Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:48:34 -0700

From: scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com

Subject: Re: What is Vans working on now?

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com



   .ExternalClass DIV {;}    You need to have enough space for the paint.  I had a similar fit but between the Van's seal and the paint it is not perfectly flush like it was without either.  

Just something to watch out for. I used a base/clear paint which is probably a little thicker than most single stage paints.  

  

Scott Schmidt

scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com

 



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