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lljjss22(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager

All..



I recieved a call on Sunday morning from Eric McDonald, the former Production Manager for Accuracy Avionics (AA).  He called to make sure that I knew the status of AA and provided me his contact information for assistance in working any bugs out of the panel that AA built for me.



It's nice to kow that I still have the ability to ask questions to the guy that actually designed and worked on my panel.



He asked if Tony Sustare, the owner of AA, had contacted me.  I informed him that the only way I knew about the status of the company was through the RV-10 board, and that I have had no contact with Tony.



If anyone needs Eric's contact information please send me a note.



...L. Jearl Strickland





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lljjss22(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager

All..



I received a call on Sunday morning from Eric McDonald, the former Production Manager for Accuracy Avionics (AA).  He called to make sure that I knew the status of AA and provided me his contact information for assistance in working any bugs out of the panel that AA built for me.



It's nice to Know that I still have the ability to ask questions to the guy that actually designed and worked on my panel.



He asked if Tony Sustare, the owner of AA, had contacted me.  I informed him that the only way I knew about the status of the company was through the RV-10 board, and that I have had no contact with Tony.



If anyone needs Eric's contact information please send me a note.



...L. Jearl Strickland

Be a better friend, newshound, and 

know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.  http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

lljjss22(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager

All..



I received a call on Sunday morning from Eric McDonald, the former Production Manager for Accuracy Avionics (AA).  He called to make sure that I knew the status of AA and provided me his contact information for assistance in working any bugs out of the panel that AA built for me.



It's nice to Know that I still have the ability to ask questions to the guy that actually designed and worked on my panel.



He asked if Tony Sustare, the owner of AA, had contacted me.  I informed him that the only way I knew about the status of the company was through the RV-10 board, and that I have had no contact with Tony.



If anyone needs Eric's contact information please send me a note.



...L. Jearl Strickland





Be a better friend, newshound, and 

know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.  http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager

Guido and Vinny returned from their trip to Bend, OR after receiving no

answer by phone at AA on Friday,  Here was their one picture of Tony.

Hope that helps you guys who spent monies, Doc;-)



John



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager

In John's defense, I really didn't take that as a serious crucifixion  

of Tony.  If he did cut and run and left customers and vendors both  

without their instruments or money, then he may deserve to look like  

the guy in the picture.  If he does what many would not and says,  

"I'll do everything I can to get everybody their money or instruments  

back", then great for him and the picture was purely in fun.  Either  

way, I enjoyed trying to see if that really was Tony or just a friend  

of John's that he beat up to take a picture for the list.



By the way, I have talked to a vendor who has already changed their  

credit and billing/shipping/payment policy because they expect to have  

a shipped order yet unpaid when the dust settles, so not only are  

their customers who have paid for instruments that they haven't  

received, but their are vendors who have shipped instruments that they  

were not paid for.



I just hope John doesn't send Guido and Vinny down to see me, but on  

the other hand, I have Pedro, Miguel, Manuel and Marlo watching my  

back, so we might send them back looking like "Tony".



All in fun and certainly no offense meant to anybody else with the  

above names, including Tony from the late company known as Accuracy  

Avionics.



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Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



On May 5, 2008, at 8:35 PM, tsts4 wrote:



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 John,

 I think that is really in poor taste.  I sent an e-mail to Tony on  

 Friday to see if in fact AA was out of business.  He replied to me  

 today, unfortuenatly to confirm what has already been posted.  So to  

 imply he has cut and run is the internet at it's worst.



 I know people have been screwed when this has happened before (ie  

 Direct-To) but there's no evidence of that yet. People may yet be  

 out their money but maybe you should wait until the facts are in  

 before you crucify Tony .  Did you lose money?  If so I could see  

 where you might be upset, but if not can we stay civil?  AA's  

 closure is a blow for the whole community not just Tony, his  

 employees and customers.



 My 2 cents.



 --------

 Todd Stovall

 728TT (reserved)

 RV-10 Empacone





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181359#181359

Eric_Kallio

Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Posts: 149
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager

I would like to get the contact information. I too have some questions re: my panel before they fade into the sunset. Shoot me an email at 

scout019"at"msn.com



Eric Kallio

AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager

The picture and comment were meant to inject some levity into a most

tragic and real situation.  Each individual is respectfully entitled to

their opinion and individual posting.  Some on this list have been

brutal when someone is late on a product delivery from a hobbyist

manufacturer.



I felt compassion for Dr. Williams who in good faith offered money for

what was considered to be the delivery of a fine quality product.  The

sting of business people who take a security deposit or payment and fail

to deliver said service should be all too rare an occurance.  Several

have posted monies transferred for aircraft engines that is not returned

from a California vendor of some note.



We have no Better Business Bureau on this list.  Only the open and free

exchange of information between contributors which can quickly promote a

product such as TCW or turn the other direction all too curtly.  I have

a friend who converted funds of a client and served prison time for

violation of that fiduciary interest.  I have several close friends here

locally who lost large sums with the Direct2 fiasco and have been

embroiled in the ongoing litigation.



I guess staying mum and watching the practice continue to unfold is too

common and possibly the preference.  In my industry - the airline

industry it is most painfully obvious of the congressional efforts to

compensate purchasers when tickets paid are not honored and then a firm

goes south.  If someone has constructive ideas has to how this phenomena

can be mitigated or reduced, I will be all ears.  I look forward to Tony

making right by the clients of his company.  Stein Bruch is one such

individual who deserves our business for his ethics and the effort to

make right the poor business practices of someone else's lack of same.

He is what others should emulate.



And Jesse thanks for the support.  I feel at this point that "the

Kicking the Bear" might just be VAN and his posting of a possible

Primary Category RV-10 product direct from the factory to compete with

Pedro, Miguel, Manuel and Marlo.  I hope to ask that question at the

annual factory open house on Thursday evening. And share same with this

group.  I take my lumps straight on.



All in fun and to some... poor taste.



John



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager

John Cox wrote:

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		  --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> (johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com) 	
 	
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		  I guess staying mum and watching the practice continue to unfold is too

common and possibly the preference. 	
 	
 Definitely not the preference .... at least in my mind!!!

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		    In my industry - the airline

industry it is most painfully obvious of the congressional efforts to

compensate purchasers when tickets paid are not honored and then a firm

goes south.  If someone has constructive ideas has to how this phenomena

can be mitigated or reduced, I will be all ears. 	
 	
 I pay with a credit card.  At least I have some place to complain to.  By the time all the monies are distributed in a bankruptcy, there seldom a penny left for the little guy.

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		    I look forward to Tony

making right by the clients of his company.  Stein Bruch is one such

individual who deserves our business for his ethics and the effort to

make right the poor business practices of someone else's lack of same.

He is what others should emulate. 	
 	
 A rare occurance indeed.  I got my 'education' early on, in the form of a BD-5.  Back then, I didn't have a credit card to use for my purchase.

  	  Quote: 	
		      	  Quote: 	
		  And Jesse thanks for the support.  I feel at this point that "the

Kicking the Bear" might just be VAN and his posting of a possible

Primary Category RV-10 product direct from the factory to compete with

Pedro, Miguel, Manuel and Marlo.  I hope to ask that question at the

annual factory open house on Thursday evening. And share same with this

group.  I take my lumps straight on.



All in fun and to some... poor taste. 	
 	
 Just to some .... I've wanted to slip Pedro, Miguel, Manuel and Marlo some unmarked bills to settle a dispute ..... but with my luck, they'd all be undercover cops!!!   Most all of us aren't smart enough to break the law and not get caught!!!

 Linn

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 [quote]   [quote]  John  --

AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager

Unfortunately for Tony's wife the pain is all too real.  For that we can all empathize.  

   

The difficulty here is the growing perception that clients become investors and Oregon based avionics business people have the right to use the funds of a client like it was venture capital.  My perspective is the funds belong to the client until the product is delivered or completed.  Unless the client authorizes the conversion, the funds are ethically and morally not the manufacturer to convert.  If it is converted, then shoot straight and say the money was converted.  

   

As someone who filed bankruptcy  I know this pattern too well.  I did not convert funds, personal friends were all made whole.  The story was a major setback to my family and the aviation community. As a Real Estate broker and a former Securities Dealer, the conversion of those funds is a felony and the road to the big house is clear.  In the case of small parts manufacturers and the individual clients  who buy the perception of a final product, there appears to be a growing trend to tap into the funds "for just a while" till the company is on its feet.  How painful can that be?  Most of the client's will take the conversion and not pursue legal action if the experiment does not work.  

   

What an unfortunate statement on the ethics of aviation business entrepreneurs in many locales.  What we need to do is speak openly and help those who are ethical, moral and legitimate.  For those who were harmed by Direct2 and dealt with Stein,  They know  why Stein has set the bar and others remain in the Guido and Vinnie category.  Stein was not a party to the conversion but he sure protected the client who was never a venture speculator.  

   

Let's all promote the businesses who do not tap into client funds as if they were speculative investors and get back to the thrill of the 150th RV-10 to fly this summer.  

   

John Cox  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters

 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:46 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager  

  

  

   

John Cox wrote:

 

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		  --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> 	
  

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    	  Quote: 	
		  I guess staying mum and watching the practice continue to unfold is toocommon and possibly the preference. 	
  

Definitely not the preference .... at least in my mind!!!

 

    	  Quote: 	
		    In my industry - the airlineindustry it is most painfully obvious of the congressional efforts tocompensate purchasers when tickets paid are not honored and then a firmgoes south.  If someone has constructive ideas has to how this phenomenacan be mitigated or reduced, I will be all ears. 	
  

I pay with a credit card.  At least I have some place to complain to.  By the time all the monies are distributed in a bankruptcy, there seldom a penny left for the little guy.

 

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		    I look forward to Tonymaking right by the clients of his company.  Stein Bruch is one suchindividual who deserves our business for his ethics and the effort tomake right the poor business practices of someone else's lack of same.He is what others should emulate. 	
  

A rare occurance indeed.  I got my 'education' early on, in the form of a BD-5.  Back then, I didn't have a credit card to use for my purchase.

 

    	  Quote: 	
		  And Jesse thanks for the support.  I feel at this point that "theKicking the Bear" might just be VAN and his posting of a possiblePrimary Category RV-10 product direct from the factory to compete withPedro, Miguel, Manuel and Marlo.  I hope to ask that question at theannual factory open house on Thursday evening. And share same with thisgroup.  I take my lumps straight on. All in fun and to some... poor taste. 	
  

Just to some .... I've wanted to slip Pedro, Miguel, Manuel and Marlo some unmarked bills to settle a dispute .... but with my luck, they'd all be undercover cops!!!   Most all of us aren't smart enough to break the law and not get caught!!!

 Linn

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   [quote]  John --

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager

By the way, I have been in touch with Tony and he says that the fiberglass parts will still be made available.  So you know, I have no affiliation with Tony or AA.



You can contact him directly at the new address of  accuracyavionics(at)yahoo.com (accuracyavionics(at)yahoo.com)



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 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



 



On May 8, 2008, at 6:28 PM, John Cox wrote:

[quote]Unfortunately for Tony's wife the pain is all too real.  For that we can all empathize.

 

The difficulty here is the growing perception that clients become investors and Oregon based avionics business people have the right to use the funds of a client like it was venture capital.  My perspective is the funds belong to the client until the product is delivered or completed.  Unless the client authorizes the conversion, the funds are ethically and morally not the manufacturer to convert.  If it is converted, then shoot straight and say the money was converted.

 

As someone who filed bankruptcy  I know this pattern too well.  I did not convert funds, personal friends were all made whole.  The story was a major setback to my family and the aviation community. As a Real Estate broker and a former Securities Dealer, the conversion of those funds is a felony and the road to the big house is clear.  In the case of small parts manufacturers and the individual clients  who buy the perception of a final product, there appears to be a growing trend to tap into the funds "for just a while" till the company is on its feet.  How painful can that be?  Most of the client's will take the conversion and not pursue legal action if the experiment does not work.

 

What an unfortunate statement on the ethics of aviation business entrepreneurs in many locales.  What we need to do is speak openly and help those who are ethical, moral and legitimate.  For those who were harmed by Direct2 and dealt with Stein,  They know  why Stein has set the bar and others remain in the Guido and Vinnie category.  Stein was not a party to the conversion but he sure protected the client who was never a venture speculator.

 

Let's all promote the businesses who do not tap into client funds as if they were speculative investors and get back to the thrill of the 150th RV-10 to fly this summer.

 

John Cox

 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of linn Walters

Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:46 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager

 

John Cox wrote:

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