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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:59 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Did anyone have to  adjust the low pitch stop on the prop from Van's to get the 2700 RPM? or was the  entire adjustment in the governor?

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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:24 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

David, 

  

I don't know if this will help but this was the response I got from MT about setting the governor and low speed RPM. 

  

Rick Sked 

40185 



"All P-860-( ) governors are basically the same. The - ( ) number only refers 

to the control arm position and the max. rpm of the governor. To change the 

control arm, loosen the 6 screws, turn the entire center portion to the 

desired position, tighten the 6 screws and safety. 



To change max rpm the set screw on the high rpm stop is turned 

counterclockwise (out) to increase rpm and clockwise (in) to decrease rpm. 

If there is not enough adjustment possible ( 1 turn = 25 rpm) the control 

arm must be reset on the spline one notch at the time. 



All this can be done on the plane. 



To have MT Propeller USA, Inc. modify the governor max. rpm would cost 

approx. $100.00, unfortunately the control arm position must be adjusted on 

the plane"



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d_emond(at)mweb.co.za
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

If memory serves me right I was only getting 2500  RPM. I had to reset my arm one spline. I made a reference mark, took the screw  adjustment up to close to the reference mark, and then screwed it out each  flight, until I got to the desired RPM.

  

 Dave Emond

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raddatz

Joined: 08 Feb 2008
Posts: 20
Location: alabama

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

I believe all the 10's I built where around 2550-2600 out of the box, I just mark the arm and shaft and move the arm one spline.

lessdragprod(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

If Van's Aircraft sold the P-860-5 governor for the wide deck Lycoming IO-540 engine, you wouldn't even be having this discussion.

 

 The P-860-3 governor is for the narrow deck Lycoming IO-540 engine, which has a different gear ratio to the front mounted governor.

 

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

 

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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Yup.....Jim has the correct info in that!! No surprise. Curious.....How many narrow decks are out there?...ummmm NOT MANY!!  It's a Dutch think I think, and an ignorance thing on us builders...not so ignorant now though. 

Rick Sked 

40185

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Dick Sipp

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 215
Location: Hope, MI

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Jim:

  

 Is re-indexing the arm on the govenor an as others have  mentioned a factory acceptable adjustment?

  

 Thanks

  

 Dick Sipp

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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Dick, 

It is...Here as I posted before is the response from MT USA direct from their resident expert and this guy really knows his stuff. 

Rick Sked 

40185 

  

all P-860-( ) governors are basically the same. The - ( ) number only refers 

to the control arm position and the max. rpm of the governor. To change the 

control arm, loosen the 6 screws, turn the entire center portion to the 

desired position, tighten the 6 screws and safety. 



To change max rpm the set screw on the high rpm stop is turned 

counterclockwise (out) to increase rpm and clockwise (in) to decrease rpm. 

If there is not enough adjustment possible ( 1 turn = 25 rpm) the control 

arm must be reset on the spline one notch at the time. 



All this can be done on the plane. 



To have MT Propeller USA, Inc. modify the governor max. rpm would cost 

approx. $100.00, unfortunately the control arm position must be adjusted on 

the plane 



Best Regards, 

Juergen Zahner 

mt-propeller USA, Inc. 

ph: [url=callto:+1386-736-7762]386-736-7762[/url] 

fax:[url=callto:+1386-736-7696]386-736-7696[/url] 

Juergen.Zahner(at)mt-propellerusa.com 

www.mt-propellerusa.com 



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lessdragprod(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Hi Dick,

 

 I received the following comment from MT Propeller in Germany.

 

 "(The) Best way is to send it (the governor) to MT USA as they do it (the adjustment) on the test bench.  UPS Ground is not expensive and the better way.  In the operating & Installation manual of the governor (it) is stated on page 12 that the modification must be done at an authorized service shop."

 

 Additionally, because of the spring loading, the MT Propeller factory is concerned about the customer loosing track of the position of the splined shaft when the control lever is removed.

 

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

 

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

before indexing mark the spline and the handle. and when  changing the handle hold the spring.

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  lessdragprod(at)aol.com

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:05  PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re:  Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Hi Dick,

I  received the following comment from MT Propeller in Germany.

"(The) Best  way is to send it (the governor) to MT USA as they do it (the  adjustment) on the test bench.  UPS Ground is not expensive and the  better way.  In the operating & Installation manual of the governor  (it) is stated on page 12 that the modification must be done at an  authorized service shop."

Additionally, because of the spring loading,  the MT Propeller factory is concerned about the customer loosing track  of the position of the splined shaft when the control lever is  removed.

Regards,

Jim Ayers

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

The MT propellor rep in FL provided info to do it on the  aircraft. 

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  lessdragprod(at)aol.com

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:05  PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re:  Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Hi Dick,

I  received the following comment from MT Propeller in Germany.

"(The) Best  way is to send it (the governor) to MT USA as they do it (the  adjustment) on the test bench.  UPS Ground is not expensive and the  better way.  In the operating & Installation manual of the governor  (it) is stated on page 12 that the modification must be done at an  authorized service shop."

Additionally, because of the spring loading,  the MT Propeller factory is concerned about the customer loosing track  of the position of the splined shaft when the control lever is  removed.

Regards,

Jim Ayers

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lessdragprod(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:15 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

The MT Propeller factory in Germany recommends sending the governor to the MT Propeller rep in Florida.  (This is a what is best for everyone answer.  Everyone is assured of getting a governor set up for their engine.)

 

 The MT Propeller rep in Florida provided information for those people that want to try to do this themselves.  As they are getting the aircraft ready for Phase 1 testing.  (Like there's nothing better to do?    )

 

 Now we've both said it twice.  

 

 Except, why is Van's Aircraft STILL only selling the MT governor for the NARROW DECK IO-540 engine?  Van's Aircraft only sells new WIDE DECK IO-540 engines.

 

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

 

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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
Guest

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Except, why is Van's Aircraft STILL only selling the MT governor for  the NARROW DECK IO-540 engine?  Van's Aircraft only sells new WIDE DECK  IO-540 engines.

  

 I want to know Why they are still also ONLY selling  the 2 blade Hartzell prop when Hartzell has composite blades that work just as  well if not better (at a higher cost)..

  

 granted none of this is good for MT but I would  like to see the composite Hartzell and give Jim the business directly for MT,  which one needs to do anyway.

  

 Oregonians, walk over and put some pressure on  Van's to update their prop selections.. please!!

  

 Pascal

  



  From: lessdragprod(at)aol.com (lessdragprod(at)aol.com) 

 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:10 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and  IO540D4A5

 



The MT Propeller factory in Germany recommends sending the  governor to the MT Propeller rep in Florida.  (This is a what is best for  everyone answer.  Everyone is assured of getting a governor set up for  their engine.)



The MT Propeller rep in Florida provided information for  those people that want to try to do this themselves.  As they are getting  the aircraft ready for Phase 1 testing.  (Like there's nothing better to  do?    )



Now we've both said it twice.   



Except, why is Van's Aircraft STILL only selling the MT governor  for the NARROW DECK IO-540 engine?  Van's Aircraft only sells new WIDE DECK  IO-540 engines.



Regards,

Jim Ayers



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From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 9:28 pm

Subject: RE:  Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5



  The MT propellor rep in FL provided info to do it on the  aircraft. 



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ([email]owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com?[/email])]  On Behalf Of lessdragprod(at)aol.com (lessdragprod(at)aol.com)

Sent:  Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:05 PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject:  Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

 

Hi Dick,



I  received the following comment from MT Propeller in Germany.



"(The) Best  way is to send it (the governor) to MT USA as they do it (the  adjustment) on the test bench.  UPS Ground is not expensive and the  better way.  In the operating & Installation manual of the governor  (it) is stated on page 12 that the modification must be done at an  authorized service shop."



Additionally, because of the spring loading,  the MT Propeller factory is concerned about the customer loosing track  of the position of the splined shaft when the control lever is  removed.



Regards,

Jim Ayers



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rv(at)thelefflers.com
Guest

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Our EAA chapter took a tour of Hartzell last week.  Although they wouldn’t say anything specific, they did hint that we would have more Hartzell choices from Van’s in the next month.  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal

 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:43 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5  

Except, why is Van's Aircraft STILL only selling the MT governor for the NARROW DECK IO-540 engine?  Van's Aircraft only sells new WIDE DECK IO-540 engines.  

I want to know Why they are still also ONLY selling the 2 blade Hartzell prop when Hartzell has composite blades that work just as well if not better (at a higher cost)..  

granted none of this is good for MT but I would like to see the composite Hartzell and give Jim the business directly for MT, which one needs to do anyway.  

Oregonians, walk over and put some pressure on Van's to update their prop selections.. please!!  

Pascal  

From: lessdragprod(at)aol.com (lessdragprod(at)aol.com)   

Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:10 AM  

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)   

Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5  

The MT Propeller factory in Germany recommends sending the governor to the MT Propeller rep in Florida.  (This is a what is best for everyone answer.  Everyone is assured of getting a governor set up for their engine.)

 The MT Propeller rep in Florida provided information for those people that want to try to do this themselves.  As they are getting the aircraft ready for Phase 1 testing.  (Like there's nothing better to do?    )

 Now we've both said it twice.  

 Except, why is Van's Aircraft STILL only selling the MT governor for the NARROW DECK IO-540 engine?  Van's Aircraft only sells new WIDE DECK IO-540 engines.

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
Guest

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Thanks for the status Bob, that is great news!  Maybe my constant e-mails asking for the consideration went somewhere  afterall.

 Pascal

  



  From: Bob Leffler (rv(at)thelefflers.com) 

 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:15 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: RE: Re: Hartzell prop and  IO540D4A5

 



  

Our  EAA chapter took a tour of Hartzell last week.  Although they wouldn’t say  anything specific, they did hint that we would have more Hartzell choices from  Van’s in the next month. 

    

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  pascal

Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:43 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject:  Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5



 

   

Except, why is Van's Aircraft STILL only selling the MT  governor for the NARROW DECK IO-540 engine?  Van's Aircraft only sells new  WIDE DECK IO-540 engines.

  

 

  

I want to know Why  they are still also ONLY selling the 2 blade Hartzell prop when Hartzell has  composite blades that work just as well if not better (at a higher  cost)..

  

 

  

granted none of this  is good for MT but I would like to see the composite Hartzell and give Jim the  business directly for MT, which one needs to do  anyway.

  

 

  

Oregonians, walk over  and put some pressure on Van's to update their prop selections..  please!!

  

 

  

Pascal

   

 

   

From: lessdragprod(at)aol.com (lessdragprod(at)aol.com)  

  

Sent: Friday, May 16,  2008 7:10 AM

  

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)  

  

Subject: Re: Re:  Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

  

 

 

The MT Propeller factory in  Germany recommends sending the governor to the MT Propeller rep in  Florida.  (This is a what is best for everyone answer.  Everyone is  assured of getting a governor set up for their engine.)



The MT Propeller  rep in Florida provided information for those people that want to try to do this  themselves.  As they are getting the aircraft ready for Phase 1  testing.  (Like there's nothing better to do?    )



Now  we've both said it twice.  



Except, why is Van's  Aircraft STILL only selling the MT governor for the NARROW DECK IO-540  engine?  Van's Aircraft only sells new WIDE DECK IO-540  engines.



Regards,

Jim Ayers



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RobHickman(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

"I want to know Why they are still also ONLY  selling the 2 blade Hartzell prop when Hartzell has composite blades that work  just as well if not better (at a higher cost).."

  

 You should have gone to the RV-10 dinner last weekend,   I just  happen to know who is testing the new 2 blade composite Hartzell prop on a  RV-4.   

  

 Extremely smooth,  much lighter,  and it looks and sounds  cool. 

  

  

 Rob Hickman

  





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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
Guest

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up [img]cid:0789E2DF7C254D20A25FFEE39C3C668F(at)pascaldell[/img].  By the way, thanks for sponsoring  it.  

 Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the composite  prop?

 Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's expanded  capabilities?

 Thanks!

  

   From: RobHickman(at)aol.com (RobHickman(at)aol.com) 

 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:43 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and  IO540D4A5

 



  "I want to know Why they are still also ONLY  selling the 2 blade Hartzell prop when Hartzell has composite blades that work  just as well if not better (at a higher cost).."

  

 You should have gone to the RV-10 dinner last weekend,   I just  happen to know who is testing the new 2 blade composite Hartzell prop on a  RV-4.   

  

 Extremely smooth,  much lighter,  and it looks and sounds  cool. 

  

  

 Rob Hickman

  





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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

In a message dated 5/16/2008 12:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  pascal(at)rv10builder.net writes:

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		     Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up .  By the    way, thanks for sponsoring it.  

   Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the    composite prop?

   Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's expanded    capabilities?

   Thanks!

	


 

 I am still gathering data on the prop,  should have it in another week  or so.   I am currently flying the flight director, autopilot  interface, and weather.   We currently have six full time  engineers and four of them are only working on software.

  

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AV8ORJWC

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

At the Pacific NW RV-10 Builder Dinner, Rob Hickman was displaying his test bed Hartzell prototype 2 blade Scimitar II Composite prop on is RV-4.  I am sure he is under a gag order but I stole a Hi-Res picture (which has been Matronic neutered here).  The identification on each blade read "Des. No. N7605-2X.  

   

Skunkworks NW  

   

John C.  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler

 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:16 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5  

  

  

   

Our EAA chapter took a tour of Hartzell last week.  Although they wouldn’t say anything specific, they did hint that we would have more Hartzell choices from Van’s in the next month.  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal

 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:43 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5  

  

  

     

Except, why is Van's Aircraft STILL only selling the MT governor for the NARROW DECK IO-540 engine?  Van's Aircraft only sells new WIDE DECK IO-540 engines.  

    

   

    

I want to know Why they are still also ONLY selling the 2 blade Hartzell prop when Hartzell has composite blades that work just as well if not better (at a higher cost)..  

    

   

    

granted none of this is good for MT but I would like to see the composite Hartzell and give Jim the business directly for MT, which one needs to do anyway.  

    

   

    

Oregonians, walk over and put some pressure on Van's to update their prop selections.. please!!  

    

   

    

Pascal  

      

   

      

From: lessdragprod(at)aol.com (lessdragprod(at)aol.com)   

    

Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:10 AM  

    

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)   

    

Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5  

  

  

    

   

  

The MT Propeller factory in Germany recommends sending the governor to the MT Propeller rep in Florida.  (This is a what is best for everyone answer.  Everyone is assured of getting a governor set up for their engine.)

 

 The MT Propeller rep in Florida provided information for those people that want to try to do this themselves.  As they are getting the aircraft ready for Phase 1 testing.  (Like there's nothing better to do?    )

 

 Now we've both said it twice.  

 

 Except, why is Van's Aircraft STILL only selling the MT governor for the NARROW DECK IO-540 engine?  Van's Aircraft only sells new WIDE DECK IO-540 engines.

 

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

 

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AV8ORJWC

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5

Rick Sked, Deems  Davis and Les Kearney all exceeded the 1,000 miles from home rule to make the dinner.  The Hickman's were gracious hosting the event.  All things are possible for the Fall get to gather.  

   

Still LOL.  

   

John  

       

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Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up [img]cid:image001.gif(at)01C8B78B.0C46E8D0[/img].  By the way, thanks for sponsoring it.    

    

Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the composite prop?  

    

Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's expanded capabilities?  

    

Thanks!  

    

   

        

From: RobHickman(at)aol.com (RobHickman(at)aol.com)   

    

Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:43 AM  

    

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"I want to know Why they are still also ONLY selling the 2 blade Hartzell prop when Hartzell has composite blades that work just as well if not better (at a higher cost).."  

    

   

    

You should have gone to the RV-10 dinner last weekend,   I just happen to know who is testing the new 2 blade composite Hartzell prop on a RV-4.     

    

   

    

Extremely smooth,  much lighter,  and it looks and sounds cool.   

    

   

    

   

    

Rob Hickman  

    

   

  

  



 

         

  

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